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Givera
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posted 06-22-2000 02:33 PM      Profile for Givera   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is all in my own wording

There are four Genes for a pokemon (A B C D) and they're stored in two bytes as AB CD
Now the way the game tests if it's shiny or not is (You'll have to know the bit level command AND):

If (AB and 20) = 0 Then Not Shiny
If (AB and 0F) <> 0A Then Not Shiny
If (CD and F0) <> A0 Then Not Shiny
If (CD and 0F) <> 0A Then Not Shiny

((<> means "not-equal"))

If a pokemon can pass all of those test (I.E. none of them give the result "Not Shiny") then he/she is shiny...

This means the pokemon's genes need to be: xA AA where x is any 4 bit number who'se binary expression is xx1x where THOSE x's can be either 0 or 1 (They don't necessarily all have to be the same)

I know this has been brought up before but I just thought I'd share TeamPA's information on the subject...
-Givera

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[This message has been edited by Givera (edited 06-22-2000).]


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posted 06-22-2000 03:47 PM      Profile for Scorch   Author's Homepage   Email Scorch   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
This means the pokemon's genes need to be: xA AA where x is any 4 bit number who'se binary expression is xx1x where THOSE x's can be either 0 or 1 (They don't necessarily all have to be the same)

Actually, for that to be true, wouldn't the third condition have to be:

If (CD and F0) <> A0 then not shiny

The way the third condition is now, it will always be true, because if you look at the low bytes:

(-D and -0) <> -A

is always true.

If the third condition is indeed correct, then gene C could be anything.

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Givera
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posted 06-22-2000 03:50 PM      Profile for Givera   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yea you're right... I'll fix that now...
-Givera

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ooo, I like shiny

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Yea, that's pretty much what we've had for a while, no big shock... Just a three bits that can be anything, and the others predetermined for a shiny...

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posted 06-23-2000 01:33 PM      Profile for Dark Annon   Email Dark Annon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Other than color, what's different between normal and shiny pokemon???

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark Annon:
Other than color, what's different between normal and shiny pokemon???


You can trick little kids into paying you big money saying "See how it shines in battle? That means I've enchanted it with Pikablu's Thunder magic... he's invincible to any attack... Look how easily he defeats that level 2 weedle!! OMG!! ... But you know what? I'll give him too you for free!! But there are shipping and handling fees... $20!!" ^_^
-Givera

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Givera
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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
Yea, that's pretty much what we've had for a while, no big shock... Just a three bits that can be anything, and the others predetermined for a shiny...


Yea... I thought I'd just bring TeamPA's analysis of the situation into the open...

What I find odd though is they could simplify those commands from 4 into 2...
Oh well... what can we expect from the people who invented Pikachu??
-Givera

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Don't shiny Pokémon have higher stats than regular ones?

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quote:
Originally posted by articool:
Don't shiny Pokémon have higher stats than regular ones?


On average yes...
A shiny's Defense, Speed, and Special (Attack and Defense) genes are A or 10 - The maximum is 15 so it's pretty high up there but not the best...
A side effect though is there HP will either be 8 or 0... meaning they either have medium HP or HORRIBLE HP...
Their Attack can be any value though... (Red Gyarados's will be 14 though making his HP always be 0)
-Givera

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When does this calculate? When encountering a pokémon or breeding it? I mean, can you get shiny versions of pokémon by breeding? Like breeding shiny pokémon with other shinys to get the moves? Or are shiny pokémon exclusive to that specie and cannot be bread? I'm just afraid certain pokémon will loose their value in the battlefield because the moves that make that pokémon something useful (like parasects)...
Sorry for the Barrage of questions but I know little about breeding.

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Givera
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When does this calculate?
Whenever it needs to - If you change a pokemon's genes with Gameshark it will also (Under most cases) change if it's shiny or not...
(I.E. - If you have a shiny pokemon and then change his genes via Game Shark the next time you see him he might not be shiny - Shininess isn't stored anywhere it's just calculated every time it needs to know if a Pokemon is Shiny)

When encountering a pokémon or breeding it? I mean, can you get shiny versions of pokémon by breeding?
You can get Shiny pokemon through breeding and through catching as far as I know...

Like breeding shiny pokémon with other shinys to get the moves?
Genes are (For the most part) random... very little of their genes are determined by the parents...

Or are shiny pokémon exclusive to that specie and cannot be bread?
Shiny pokemon are just like any other pokemon of the same type except they have a specific range of genes... (A Red (Shiny) Gyarados will breed and act just like a regular Gyarados would)

I'm just afraid certain pokémon will loose their value in the battlefield because the moves that make that pokémon something useful (like parasects)...
?? Shininess does nothing but give you a clue as to what the enemies genes are...
(A shiny pokemon is just as vulnerable to attacks as a regular one and no more powerful in battle)
-Givera

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[This message has been edited by Givera (edited 06-24-2000).]


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that'll work well for me

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