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PPokeM
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posted 05-05-2000 03:39 PM $Profile for PPokeM$ $Author's Homepage$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Emulators? GBCs with lots of batteries?

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I think they use emus... UGH

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Nothings wrong with ROMs if it's just for research, and plus, they already have the game.

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quote:
Originally posted by Magician Type 0:
I think they use emus...

I prefer to use rheas, but I believe Wintermute uses ostriches.

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Nothings wrong with ROMs if it's just for research, and plus, they already have the game.

The law certainly dosen't see it that way. It's software piracy... and I consider it theft... UGH.

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posted 05-06-2000 09:52 PM $Profile for Charger082$ $Email Charger082$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

they say that if you own the game you are allowed to won the rom and I am fairly sure that most of the people here owns the cartridge

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ROMs are illegal, even if you have the cart. It even says it on Nintendo's website. Unless Nintendo gives you special permission (which they won't), you can't use or own any pokemon ROMs legally. And that "24 hour rule" is BS, too.

But, hell, that doesn't stop me. Why waste money buying Yellow when I can play it for free on my computer?

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quote:
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Why waste money buying Yellow when I can play it for free on my computer?

BECAUSE THE PROGRAMMERS PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO THE GAME AND MISSED A LOT OF SLEEP FOR IT.

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ROMs are illegal, even if you have the cart. It even says it on Nintendo's website. Unless Nintendo gives you special permission (which they won't), you can't use or own any pokemon ROMs legally.

No, US law states that you have a right to possess one backup of any software product you own. You're right about the 24 hour thing, though.

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quote:
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ROMs are illegal, even if you have the cart. It even says it on Nintendo's website. Unless Nintendo gives you special permission (which they won't), you can't use or own any pokemon ROMs legally.
No, US law states that you have a right to possess one backup of any software product you own. You're right about the 24 hour thing, though.

Um... do you read the instruction manual copyrights? Here, let's find it..

Oh well, I found Goldeneye's, but it applies. Here's what it says:

"WARNING: Copying of any Nintendo game is illegal and is strictly prohibited by domestic and international copyright laws. "Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted."

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I fugure that if I own the games, and make ROMs from them, I have still payed for the game. I don't download any game off the internet and by pass paying. And even when I *do* make ROMs, it's for either getting images (lot clearer, faster, simpler then scanning my Gameboy Colour for every PokéDex entry), and for getting information via NO$GMB. Without my ROMs and the NO$GMB emulator, I wouldn't have all of the equations, formulas, and whatnot used in the Pokémon games.

Well, I'm trying to figure out what the bug in my Bug Catcher's Contest formula is, so I'll go now.
--Meowth346

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Big hairy deal. Suppose that notice said that playing the game gives Nintendo the right to take your first-born child as their slave, and you played the game anyway. Would that give Nintendo the legal right to do it? Of course not.

Nintendo can't overrule federal law.

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posted 05-08-2000 03:34 PM $Profile for Magician Type 0$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Um... don't be an ass. That was the ruling of federal court If they falsified statements like that there would bve legal actions against them.

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Straight from Nintendo:

Can I Download a ROM from the Internet if I Already Own the Authentic Game?

There is a good deal of misinformation on the Internet regarding the backup/archival copy exception. It is not a "second copy" rule and is often mistakenly cited for the proposition that if you have one lawful copy of a copyrighted work, you are entitled to have a second copy of the copyrighted work even if that second copy is an infringing copy. That is utterly ridiculous and legally unsupported. Therefore, whether you have the authentic game or not, or whether you have possession of the ROM for a limited amount of time (24 hours), it is illegal and infringing of a copyright to download and play a ROM from the Internet.

The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction to the authentic. It is well established by judicial decisions in the United States that this limited exception does not apply to game data contained in ROM semiconductor chips in video game cartridges.

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Dragonair wrote:

The backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to
ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction to the authentic. It is well established by judicial decisions in the United States
that this limited exception does not apply to game data contained in ROM semiconductor chips in video game cartridges.

There is NO WAY "judicial decisions" have made it "well established" that the above federal software backup law does not apply to videogame ROM data.

Has there even been a single lawsuit involving an individual gamer possessing a single backup copy of a single game? I haven't heard of one, surely it would have been popular news.

Maybe that federal law itself explicitly rules out videogame ROM data, I dunno. But "judicial decisions" can't be the reason.

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quote:
Originally posted by Meowth346:
And even when I *do* make ROMs, --Meowth346
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how do you make roms?

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Wow... Nintendo is more evil than Microsoft. I wonder how it is legally possible for them to lie in their manuals?

And yes, it IS legal to own a backup copy, no matter WHAT Nintendo says. (Hint: look at actual laws, don't just read Nintendo's FAQs. They have a conflict of intrest anyway.)

BTW, I am sorry if I sound mad. It's not at you, MT0 or Dragonair. I just read something on another board that really ticked me off.

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posted 05-10-2000 06:35 PM $Profile for Magician Type 0$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

ARGH! IF THEY LIED LIKE THAT THEY'D BE OUT OF BUSINESS!

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posted 05-11-2000 05:08 PM $Profile for Porcupine$ $Email Porcupine$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Brandon, I don't really know anything, I'm just guessing really. But I think those warnings that are all over manuals and merchandise about copying are worded to sound scary but if you read them carefully, or maybe in a certain way, you can see that they aren't as powerful as they sound. Or maybe, making a single "backup copy" for yourself isn't considered "copying" legally. I dunno. Or maybe the law lets them write whatever they want on their merchandise regardless of whether or not it is true.

Or maybe that "backup copy exception" law is considered an exception to whatever Nintendo is allowed to write.

"WARNING: Copying of any Nintendo game is illegal and is strictly prohibited by domestic and international copyright laws.
"Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted."

It just says "back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and not necessary, it doesn't say they are illegal.
It says copying is not legal, but perhaps making a single "back-up" or "archival" copy isn't considered "copying."

Obviously not all Violators are gonna be prosecuted, no matter what they write.

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posted 05-12-2000 05:53 AM $Profile for White Cat$ $Author's Homepage$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

As someone pointed out in a previous thread, Nintendo hasn't 'authorized' us to breathe either...

It's just Scary Legal Talk(tm). Every business and government agency does it.

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posted 06-01-2000 04:16 PM $Profile for Prof. Dasugi$ $Email Prof. Dasugi$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

If Nintendo didn't do Scary Legal Talk(TM) they'd have people finding odd loopholes. I'm fairly sure that it is legal to own ROMs of a game you own - after all, how is that, in any way shape or form damaging to the programmers? You've payed - you've just got another ROM for alternative use. On the other hand, the Law doesn't always make sense..

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