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NeoSyrex
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posted 04-27-2000 05:44 PM      Profile for NeoSyrex   Author's Homepage   Email NeoSyrex   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was really curious if the Japanese players had as much information as we do (this thought was from cfalcon IIRC in an older post), so I went onto a Japanese html chat room, and here's what happened:

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Me: Go to this webpage: http://www.azureheights.com, if you can read English; I ask because I'm curious if you guys have made the same discoveries that the webpage has, and if so, perhaps we can share information. Thanks for listening, and I'm sorry for posting this in English.

aminisi:Hi.
I add ur page my bookmark.
I cant read Engkish but I feel urpage very good.

Me: Well, its not really my page, but thanks! Do you know of any other japanese pages that also have a lot of information (we want to compare information)?

aminisi: http://members.cool.ne.jp/~z80/teamPA/
Here is most great page in I know(sorry,I cant speak English very well)

Me: Thanks!! I really appreciate all your help

aminisi: in japanese,most people play Gold/sivler version.
so no people play red/green/blue/yellow version. but it already analys almost.

Me: yeah, a lot of the players over here play gold/silver as well, but many people like playing red/green/blue/yellow because they know it better

aminisi: I know that pokemon sstadium is on sale. will u have pokemon vention?

Me: I bought pokemon stadium (i don't like how the sleep rules were changed), its pretty cool. I'm not sure what pokemon vention is though

aminisi: in reds,FGT is very difficult to use. Hitmolee often down one attack.

Me: Another bad thing about FGT is that PSY attacks are strong against it, and all FGT types have low Special, so its really weak (but can still deal good damage) In gold/silver, evil is strong against psychic, and there are good bug attacks, so Metwo is a little easier to defeat.

aminisi: I have web page it do calculate pokemon's status.
but can't use if u dont know japanese pokemon name.

Me: Thanks, I think this is like http://skill-statfinder.virtualave.net/ssf/
(it calculates hp, attack, defense, speed, special)

aminisi: oh,u know gold/silver version.
Primeape is not so slow.
I use he if use FGT. http://cgi.mediamix.ne.jp/~t2069/user-cgi/keisan.htm

Me: primeape wasnt so good in first versions, (in stadium it got better when focus energy worked). do you know anything about what pokémon can breed?

aminisi: my page has original funcion it calculate durabilty. well,it is so dificult to explanation in english for me,sorry.
I maybe know all breed systme. but I cant explanation so good.

aminisi: but I think cant explanation so good.(correction)

aminisi: Can u read japanese pokemon name?

Me: I know some people who can translate Japanese, so you can just type it in japanese and I can have it translated later if you want. (thats why I asked for good japanese pages too)

Me: I can find a list of japanese pokmon names if I wanted to...

aminisi: http://www.pokemon-daisuki.com/ken2/r30zukan/english01.html
I use this.

Me: Thanks!

aminisi: Then I think read "http://members.cool.ne.jp/~z80/teamPA/" is most first way to understund.>I know some people who can translate Japanese........

Me: I'm curious, what team do you use in r/b/g/y and gold/silver

aminisi: http://211.5.241.13/cgi-bin/211.5.241.13 Save this page. it is true breed table. I have r,y,g,s and stadium 1&2. in japan,sale pokemon studium 1,befor american stadium. american stadium=stadium 2. stadium 1 can make naminori pikacy



I think he thought I asked him what games he has

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Me: is it html?

aminisi: naminori=surf. it can make surf pikacyu. Sorry http://211.5.241.13/cgi-bin/tamago.htm is true

Me: wow, this is really good. did you make it?

aminisi: pikacyu->pikachu. so,it made it as who make "http://members.cool.ne.jp/~z80/teamPA/". but it isnt perfect,so I add something

aminisi: sorry,it became strange sentence.(--;;;


At this point something happened, and whenever I tried logging in and speaking, I was moved to another room, so I gave up. Oh well, at least I got a bunch of info (but its useless if no one can translate it). So obviously the players in Japan know much more than what cfalcon thought. Now if anyone here can translate Japanese, that'd be great, because then the secret of breeding would be unlocked, and I'm sure the other Japanese sites have some good info.

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Meowth346
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posted 04-27-2000 07:12 PM      Profile for Meowth346   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
TeamPA's lightyears ahead of AH on research. A lot of what's explained on AH is basic stuff for good Japanese websites about Pokémon.

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posted 04-28-2000 03:02 AM      Profile for cfalcon   Email cfalcon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Wow. I stand corrected.

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posted 04-28-2000 03:06 AM      Profile for cfalcon   Email cfalcon   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Is that the site linked to in NeoSyrex's message?

Err... where are their shark codes?

I can't read a damn thing on the site of course... Meowth, what are some examples of stuff they know that we don't? (We could always use stuff we don't know, because then we would )

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Meowth346
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posted 04-28-2000 03:43 AM      Profile for Meowth346   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Offhand, I can't think of what type of knowledge they have that AH doesn't have, but I will say that they do have all formulas in the game, from damage formulas, to PokéBall catching formulas. Again, all the basics.
Actually, without TeamPA, I wouldn't have discovered Gameshark codes for editing the maps in Pokémon as soon as I did.

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Wow they have pokeballcatching fomrulas too?! Waht are ALL their formulas?! I wanna know them ALL!!! WOWWWW!! They are so great!! I see that URL maybe I'll look later but it's garble on my screen. =D Maybe I can use Shodouka WWW service, but I cannot read Japanese well anyway.

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IE keeps screwing up the Japenese text display support download...

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NeoSyrex
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posted 05-06-2000 12:18 PM      Profile for NeoSyrex   Author's Homepage   Email NeoSyrex   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I forget the url, it was a while ago and I had to do a couple searches to find it...

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posted 05-07-2000 04:00 PM      Profile for Zagyg   Email Zagyg   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There's some amazingly fascinating stuff at that Pokemon Analysis site -- stuff just begging to be translated. It's all for Gold and Silver, of course, but some of it would at least be a good jumping-off point for research here.

For instance, did you know that different Pokemon have inherently different chances of being caught? As near as I can tell, this is the formula they've found for chance of catching any given Pokemon in G/S:

(((((4*Max HP) - (2*Current HP)) * Capture Factor)/Max HP) + Status Bonus + 1)/256.

Now, the Status Bonus is simple: +10 if the Pokemon is Sleeping or Frozen, and +5 if it is Paralyzed, Poisoned, or Burned. But the Capture Factor takes into account both the type of Pokeball and the 'Lure Factor' (an inexact translation) inherent to each Pokemon.

Lure Factor can be found on their Pokemon Statistics page, along with such things as the base value of each stat and so forth. Caterpie, for instance, has a 255 LF, while Butterfree's is only 45. It is multiplied or added to by the type of Pokeball. Standard Pokeballs give no modifications. Great Balls multiply LF by 1.5, and Ultra Balls multiply it by 2. The various special balls you get from Gantetsu have their own modifiers, and the Master Ball, of course, skips this process entirely.

Whether this holds true for R/B/Y, I have no idea whatsoever. But it's probably a very good starting point for those with the time and inclination to research...


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NeoSyrex I think you have just become the man around here because you took the idea to contact a Japanese person and know we might have some info on G/S before it even comes out in the English version.

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I've got some suspicions about that formula. If I am reading it right, it says that the pokemon's level doesn't matter. So capturing a L100 Caterpie at full health is just as hard as a L2 Caterpie at full health. My experience goes against this, but maybe I am wrong.

Also, I've been using moves like Sand-Attack to make pokemon easier to capture. Have I been wasting my time?

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posted 05-10-2000 08:07 AM      Profile for Zagyg   Email Zagyg   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I'll check through the site again to see if there's anything I missed, but I think this sounds right to me. (Though I've noticed I did make one mistake -- it's 'Rare Factor,' not 'Lure Factor.') Keep in mind that you add in the CF before dividing by Max HP. That alone gives you a substantial bonus towards catching low-level (i.e. low Max HP) Pokemon. Try plugging in actual numbers and you'll find it seems to give consistent results, I think.

When I've got a moment, I plan to search that site more -- there's other useful information there, such as a rather complex page on breeding that I'm not sure I'm reading right... there's some really odd implications if I am, though. More on that when I get through translating it.


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NeoSyrex
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No, but that looks a lot like the one I went to.

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quote:
Originally posted by Zagyg:
For instance, did you know that different Pokemon have inherently different chances of being caught? As near as I can tell, this is the formula they've found for chance of catching any given Pokemon in G/S:

(((((4*Max HP) - (2*Current HP)) * Capture Factor)/Max HP) + Status Bonus + 1)/256.

Now, the Status Bonus is simple: +10 if the Pokemon is Sleeping or Frozen, and +5 if it is Paralyzed, Poisoned, or Burned. But the Capture Factor takes into account both the type of Pokeball and the 'Lure Factor' (an inexact translation) inherent to each Pokemon.

Lure Factor can be found on their Pokemon Statistics page, along with such things as the base value of each stat and so forth. Caterpie, for instance, has a 255 LF, while Butterfree's is only 45. It is multiplied or added to by the type of Pokeball. Standard Pokeballs give no modifications. Great Balls multiply LF by 1.5, and Ultra Balls multiply it by 2. The various special balls you get from Gantetsu have their own modifiers, and the Master Ball, of course, skips this process entirely.

Whether this holds true for R/B/Y, I have no idea whatsoever. But it's probably a very good starting point for those with the time and inclination to research...


So lets say that, for example, (This is all theoretical) that I encounter a level 2 Butterfree. Basing my calculations for max HP on Necrosaro's base stats for Butterfree, I find that it's max HP stat is 15. After putting the max HP stat into the formula you provided, (attempting capture with standard Pokčball, Butterfree at its max hp, and it's sleeping, and with the lure factor of 45) I get the following formula:

(((((4*15)-(2*15))*45)/15+10+1)/256

which equals: .39453125 or 39.453125% or in other words a low percentage of caputure happening.

Is this calculation correct?

Jerry Cook

a Newbie in the arts of Pokčmon research

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KTARRAMOON used MAX REVIVE!
POST was revitalized!

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This could be easier if someone would find a japanese to english translation site or if someone actually knows Japanese, or someone finds a Jap site with an accurate english translation. To me, some of these things that you talk about is not too valid. If the formulas for J-RBYG is the same for english RBY, then I would be convinced. However, I do find some of this stuff cool. It's just I'm not convinced yet.

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