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Biffster
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posted 04-12-2000 09:18 PM      Profile for Biffster     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Im not sure if this topic has came up before but i have found that if a pokémon is poisoned w/ toxic, it hurts less if you switch that pokemon out. Instead of increasing the amount taken every turn, it gives a constant small amount of damage.

Also there is a poison trick. On gameboy only you can pre poison your pokémon before the battle so they wont have any worse statis change. This poison wont affect you much if you get it from a L12 oddish poison powder. Fight an oddish and let it keep attacking until it poisons you. After that use a max potion and an either. This is seriouly cheating!

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GolemKong
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posted 04-12-2000 09:42 PM      Profile for GolemKong   Author's Homepage   Email GolemKong   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, switching out nulls all special effects. i.e.:
Double Team
Confusion
The extra damage from toxic,
Leech Seed.
Etc.

I gets rid of all secondary status changes.

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Mr. K
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posted 04-12-2000 09:59 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Biffster, a lot of that kinda thing is already noted in the main section of Azure Heights.

Take a browse thru the Attacks section to see what I mean. Toxic has some interesting stuff, and there's a ridiculously detailed account of Rage, among other things...

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Biffster
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well i thought so that this site figured that out. The message was for that pre-poisoning trick.

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Mr. K
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posted 04-12-2000 10:08 PM      Profile for Mr. K   Author's Homepage   Email Mr. K   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The pre-poisoning trick is going to be mentioned in the Poison Attacks page...but we don't exactly condone it...

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Biffster
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now that i read over my first post, i think i did not explain the poison trick enough.

Once you pokemon are poisoned you fight someone else by link. Having you pokemon poisoned by poison powder is better than having any other statis change.

does that clear it up?

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Avalanche
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posted 04-12-2000 10:13 PM      Profile for Avalanche   Author's Homepage   Email Avalanche   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It not that you weren't clear, its that it is cheating, or if not that, unethical. That cheapens the spirt of competition by making yourself have an advantage from the start.

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Mr. K
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Exactly.

The only reason we're mentioning it on the Poison page is to show just how useless of a status modifier it is...just another of the many ways poor Koffing got the bone.

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Slo Migs
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posted 04-13-2000 01:00 AM      Profile for Slo Migs   Author's Homepage   Email Slo Migs   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
They should've added some other thing to to poison status. I mean, paralyze not only has a chance of fully paralyzing, it also slows down the enemy. Freeze completely makes the pokemon useless, heck even burn supposedly lowers attacks and defense (am I right on this? Someone mentioned this to me when I was debating poison vs fire). Anyways, why doesn't poison have some side effect to stats like the others do? Like maybe they could have made it so that being poisoned greatly lowered a pokemon's special or lowered their accuracy.

Is there any word on poison being improved in G/S? Maybe they made it super effective against more types? Personally, I think Poison should be super effective against nothing, but weak against nothing at the same time.

Who made up the type advantages anyway? I mean, I can understand water putting out fire, ground absorbing electricity and ice killing grass, but how do you explain psychics advantage over poison? Makes no sense!

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Slo Migs
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Hmmm...I just realized that my previous post was completely off topic about the poison cheat. I just hate how poison was treated in the game.

Anyways, here's my two cents. Doing that poison cheat is very unethical. Using it indicates that you don't have enough confidence in your skills as a trainer and in the strength of your pokemon in battle.

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Biffster wsan't recommending it, he was just telling us that
"Hey, it would actually be better to go into battle with your pokémon already poisoned!"
I don't think he was saying "He he... I poison my pokémon before battles.. he he..."

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Slo Migs
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I wasn't talking about Biffster specifically, I was referring to anyone that actually did use that cheat. Still, to prevent the cheat, I think Nintendo should've added a secondary effect to being poisoned. Or maybe, all poison attacks should act like Toxic, increasing in damage every turn. Maybe not quite to the degree that Toxic does, but an increase per turn nonetheless. Now, that would kick so much booty.

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Poison gets seriously screwed in the game. Their best move Toxic, gets no same type bonus, and everyone can learn it. They aren't very effective against anything you will see that much of, their moves are weak just in case you do see something that you might be able to cause double or quadruple damage to, and they are weak to common and strong things (Psychic, mostly, but I tend to take poisons down with Sandslash plenty).

I do have a problem with the poison modifier. I don't feel that it's fair that the idea is "thank you for poisoning me". I also don't know why they didn't let multiple stat effects accumulate: they have one byte allocated to it, three bits of which are sleep bits, the rest of the bits are either unused or mean a specific thing. There is no reason, short of display on the GB screen, why you can't poison and sleep someone at the same time, except that they didn't code it like that. That would be a good combo, but we'll never see it.

In all fairness, poison should have some other negative effect. I've always thought making all attacks miss an extra 10-15% of the time would be nice on a poisoned monster (kinda woozy because they are unwell inside).

This wouldn't be as nice as paralyzation (where you can lock up any move, even non-attacks), but you would still be getting the lost rounds.

-cfalcon

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How about if your pokémon gets poisoned, than it explodes after 4 turns:

Sandlash gets poisoned.

Sandslash's bowels attempt to reject poison by swelling up.

Sandlsah becomes bloated and irritable (attack + 1/2)

Sandslash explodes in a fountain of toxic gore

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Slo Migs
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10K: Gross...I like it. Hehe....

So no change to poison on G/S I assume? I don't get why they'd make poison so weak in the first place, I mean a third of the pokemon from the original 151 are part poison. Their one advantage? They can't be poisoned. Well whoopadeedoo!

I wonder when we'll get to meet the God of poison. A Poison/Psychic type. Bwahahaha that would rock. Of course it'd be quad weak to bug, but...ok forget it

Being poisoned should lower all stats but to a small degree only. I mean, if I was poisoned, I'd be a lot slower, a lot weaker, unable to defend myself and unable to effectively use special attacks. I should start a petition to send to Nintendo, demanding an upgrade to poison type and poison status.

And ban all other pokemon except poison types from learning toxic.

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I like how both types poison is super-effective against, are also the two main types that are usually part poison (ala, grass and bug). So basically poison attacks are super-effective against Tangela's, Exeggutor's, Parasect's, Pinsir's and Scythers.

In g/s, it just gets worse I think both Evil and steel are resistant to poison. Poison is the only type to actually suck worse than bug types, but atleast Nintendo improved bugs....

Whoomp

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Volrath50
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I only ever teach toxic to mt Poison dudes.... My Arbok kicks a ton of @$$!!!

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Rhyann
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Not only did Nintendo make poison stink, but the cool "mean" looking guys are all part poison... Nidoking, Tentacruel, Muk, and Arbok. IMHO, They should be Ground, Water/Psychic, Water/Ground, and Normal, respectively

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Avalanche
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The worst part is is there aren't even any decent poison attacks. Toixc is cool, but if you switch out then in it becomes crappy again. In GS there is ONE regular posion move, that hydro sludge or something, and it isn't even that strong. If it could have a chance to toxic the opponent, then it would be very cool, and posion would be a type I would use more.

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Slo Migs
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Poison's even weaker in G/S?!?!?! ARGHHH!!!! What the heck man, this is so annoying considering how most of my favorite pokes are poison type.

Wanna know another crappy thing about poison? The two types that it's super effective against (i.e. Grass and Bug) are also super effective against poison. So someone like Victreebel for example, would have immunity to poison attacks because of its poison type AND it would be super effective if they used a grass atatck. It just keeps getting worse and worse for Weezing.

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Whoa there. Poison resists grass, I'm pretty sure. They also resist fighting, making them have potential use in Gold and Silver. Fighting is a lot stronger, remember, and you will want a critter that has a resistance and a high defense. I don't think it even matters what poison attacks are good against, honestly.

They also have advantages ghosts don't.

I just wish they had a one-round lead when using Toxic, I guess...

-cfalcon

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Slo Migs
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Whoah....sorry bout that. I musta misread my type chart. Hehehe. Sheesh, glad you cleared that up for me cfalcon, I would've made the mistake of switching Weezing out whenever he ran into grass types!

*slaps forehead* A poison activist not knowing poison's resistant types. Geez...

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Here's the readout on Poison in both R/B/Y and G/S (against = offense, to = defense):

Red/Blue/Yellow -
Strong against: Grass, Bug
Weak against: Poison, Ground, Rock, Ghost
Resistant to: Grass, Fighting, Poison
Weak to: Ground, Psychic, Bug

Gold/Silver -
Strong against: Grass
Weak against: Poison, Ground, Rock, Ghost
Useless against: Steel
Resistant to: Grass, Fighting, Poison, Bug
Weak to: Ground, Psychic

So the only changes are losing the effectiveness against Bug, becoming resistant to Bug instead of weak to it, and having no effect on Steel. The Grass/Poison types are definitely better off (normal damage from Bug instead of 4x), but I think Poison as a whole is worse (although they actually have a decent attack now).


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Slo Migs
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Awww man...that sucks. Are there good bug attacks now? I mean in RBY I don't really mind that they were weak to bug since good bug attacks were almost nonexistent. What is wrong with the programmers? Are they purposely making poison as bad as possible? Any chance that they'd change the type advantages when the game comes stateside? I doubt it, but I can hope. Super effective against psychic would be nice. Hehehe It'd be fun to see Weezing whoop ass on Mewtwo.

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Are there good bug attacks now?

A move with 120 Base Power AND 86.4% Accurracy is good enough for you?

And there is a good Poison move now.

It`s a TM [36 I think[ and it`s called Hydro Bomb with:

90 Base Powder
100% Accurracy
30% chance of poison [it has 30% chance of doing something, I am saying poison because it`s MY guess].

Caos2

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Slo Migs
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quote:
And there is a good Poison move now.

It`s a TM [36 I think[ and it`s called Hydro Bomb with:

90 Base Powder
100% Accurracy
30% chance of poison [it has 30% chance of doing something, I am saying poison because it`s MY guess].


Sweet...can weezing learn it? Kinda like a poison version of ice beam eh? They should have a poison version of Blizzard that has a 10% chance of Toxicing. That would kick ass.

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That poisoning trick rocks! If I ever be able
to participate in a real tournament I might
actually use it on some or all of my team's
pokemon!

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The only thing that learns Hydro Bomb in G/S is the Grimer series. You can probably breed it to other species, though.
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Porcupine
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Hydro Bomb is a TM also, I believe, like that
other guy said. But only Grimer learns it by himself. Anyone notice that BUG move that does 120 base damage? But that one, only one pokemon learns, I think. He might be able to beat Mewtwo though, now, with weaker Mewtwo.

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Heh, I'm gonna LOVE to see the look on those little five-year-olds faces when they realize their Grep sucks harder than a cheap prostitude Friday night at Happy Hour (sorry). Damn, then come the dogs and that cheap-as-used-paper Lugia....
BTW, what is his confirmed English name again? I know it had something to do with cuatro, but....
They put about as much thought into that as they did when making Luigi's rival's name "Waluigi". I still say Sevenuigi is the best (get it? "L" upside down kinda looks like a..., aw, ferget it.)

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Hmm, I've seen pictures of those Legendary Beasts and they look like tigers to me. Maybe they should be called beasts rather than dogs...

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And you should eat less dog food. Huh huh HEE.

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