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The Great Dreamer
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How is gender determined when transfering a pokémon into GS!? Is it random? Do you get to choose? Is the possibility for say, a machamp named ManlyMan to be transfered as a female therefore giving him a homo name!!!???
I need to know!!!! I don't want homo pokémon!

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LOL! homomon! I hope I don't get any, but I think Cfalcon knows the answer to your question.

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posted 03-20-2000 08:22 PM      Profile for Eevee   Author's Homepage   Email Eevee   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good question. I would like to know, as well.

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Check out this thread:
http://azureheights.com/forum/tuff/Forum4/HTML/000003.html

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My previous post pretty much says it all, but yes, a monster named ManlyMan with a weak attack gene is viewed as female.

I was hoping for a comparision between different sexes, or at least it being based on bit 5 or 6 instead of 7 (thus meaning that the strongest would still be male, but it wouldn't be MMMMMMMM FFFFFFFF, it would instead be something like MMMM FFFF MMMM FFFF.

But, hey, pokemon really is a cultural experience...

Also keep in mind that it is technically possible for Nintendo to modify this for the US audience. Though we should speak of it in whispers, Nintendo isn't above butchering a game on a whim, just to meet some bizarre percieved requirement. Heck, pokemon wouldn't have come out here at all, if it wasn't for it RIDICULOUS Japanese success. Gail Tilden was against it (a recent TIME magazine with Pokemon on the cover talks of this), and I'm still surprised it made it over here with all monsters unchanged (JYNX?).

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So, if I want a female pokémon, say a Lapras called GirlieGirl, Then I have to make sure that her attack is the lowest possible at level 50 according to the Skill/Stat Finder?
I really do not understand the deter value 15 and stuff so I need to be explained things simpler or someone please help me understand this deter value 15 thing.

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It is random.
Magnimite has no gender.
Ash only catches male pokemon

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Mew, Mewtwo and the lengendary birds have no gender, just like all the other 'once-in-a-lifetime' Pokemon. (Makes sense - you can't breed them that way)

Usocky, the 'once-in-a-lifetime' wiggling tree from G/S, however, is male?!?

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Do 'once-in-a-lifetime' Pokemon include Snorlax?

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Ok, each monster has a random two byte value when you catch it (the exception is a couple monsters with fixed genes you can catch in Gold/Silver, like the Red Gyrados). These values determine the base proficiency in the attributes (the deter values) for all five (six, in Metallic) attributes.

The first bit of the first byte is the first bit in the attack value. If this is set, it is male, clear, female.

So
1??????? ????????
is male, and
0??????? ????????
is female.

However, in binary, the most signifigant bit being set adds eight to the value that it would otherwise be.

I go into real detail on this in my post "Boys have a 1, Girls have a zero", in the sharkery section.


If you don't understand how to determine deter values, here goes:

The value for ADSS is:
(Level*(base+deter))/50+5+bonus(stat EXP)

This means that at level 50, the deter values have a 1:1 relationship with the statistic values. So a jolteon with no stat EXP at level 50 (base speed of 130) would have a speed range of 135-150.

Check also: http://skill-statfinder.virtualave.net/ssf/
and: http://members.aol.com/sabindude/pokemon.html
and my post on monster gender is: http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/Forum4/HTML/000003.html

I'm not sure about Snorlax's having a gender. However, it isn't determined by the rarity of the monster, but whether it would even remotely make sense.

Mew and Mewtwo are genderless, and I'm pretty sure the new overpowered birds are as well. I hope electrode / voltorb is (that would be why he's so bothered all the time), and I know magneton / magnetite has no sex (which would explain the affinity to them felt by engineers).

-cfalcon

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A quick list of genderless Pokemon (I've played and completed G/S, so I know):
-Voltorb, Electrode
-Magnemite, Magneton
-Articuno
-Zapdos
-Moltres
-Three legendary dogs/cats
-Lugia
-HouHou
-Mew
-MewTwo
-Serebii

There. I hope I didn't miss anyone. Snorlax HAS gender, BTW. Ash has a male.

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I could be wrong, but I think that Staryu and Starmie go on that "genderless" list, too.

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As does Porygon 1 and 2.

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I haven't checke StarX, but I hope Starmie is sterile... maybe they'll die out...

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Like it has been said before me, Staryu, Starmie, Porygon, and Porygon2 all belong on the list of genderless pokemon. So does Ditto.
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Well the genderless Pokemon are better than the non-genderless. It doesn't mean that they don't reproduce it just means that they are Asexual! They can breed with any other gender. This goes for the legendary Pokemon also it's just that they refuse and I heard that it takes 100+ hours to get them to breed.

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Actually...
Genderless pokemone can breed w/ gender pokemon. The result will be a pokemon of the type that had the gender, w/ none of the genderless pokemon's attacks. They still work best w/ similar icons, but remember you can breed w/ other icons, it just takes longer.

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Annon is also genderless...question:

what if a ditto+lugia bred?

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"what if a ditto+lugia bred?"

Ive done some testing with this, in breeding Houou, Mewtwo, Mew, and Articuno. I would put it in the Day Care Center along with a Ditto, then edit the RAM so that the man is standing outside the House with an egg.

Now, if I had put a Female Pikachu and a Male Pikachu in the Center, then a Pichu would be born. If a Female Hypno and Male Drowzee, then a Drowzee would be born, etc. In other words, this process that I used could not fail in giving the correct baby if such a breeding compatibility was possible.

For all of those above listed tests, Houou to Articuno, each time a ????? was born. Number 25# or so, it's what you can easily refer to as a "MissingNo." Therefore, though some may say "I had my Lugia and Houou in there for 1 million hours, and a baby Lugia was born", it can't really happen. If they *did* have a child, it would be a glitch.

However, I have not yet tried forcing a childbirth from a rare (Lugia, etc.) Pokémon and a Pokémon with a Gender (ie Pikachu, Clefable, Bulbasaur, etc.)

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Good answer, Meowth. I have no idea how the breeding works, just that I hope it's balanced

I would hope forcing childbirth with a gendered monster would yield that gender (that is the norm, right?). Probably they have a loop that checks genders to see what monster comes out. If both if statements fail (neither has a sex, an unforseen situation), the game simply never initializes the data (probably yields monster 0 or whatever glitch is indicated).

What attacks the illegal child would have is beyond me. I don't even know for sure how the normal stuff works, but it sounds like a Pika / Mewtwo breed would be a pika with any attacks that the Mewtwo had that pika could normally learn (REST, T-BOLT, etc., but maybe not PSYCHIC?). That would probably only be the case if that would be what breeding any gendered with any non-gendered would yield.

For every still reading, my earlier post on gender was incorrect. The MSB only determines the gender for many monsters. Obviously some have a fixed gender, or none at all, but others actually have a different distribution. Meowth points this out in more recent posts here:
http://www.math.miami.edu/~jam/azure/forum/tuff/Forum4/HTML/000003.html

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In addition to breeding, I've made a chart of all Pokémon that can breed and everyone that they can breed with. Normally you'd be looking at roughly 57,600 or so possible combinations, but I found a simpler way looking through the ROM's data. I'm trying to compile a list of attacks that a child can be born with, though I may just put naturally learned attacks. I'm still working on birth attacks, and finding the hereditary system quite interesting.
However, my work isn't yet organized and online.

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Ack! Now that my very first Pokémon, Squirty, a Blastoise, for sure has mak EXP for its stats, I find that the DV for him is "4EB5"! That means, as far as I can tell, that he's gonna be a she in Gold/Silver! People, beware in refering to your Pokmon by he, she, him, or her...you might just be wrong ^_^

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You guys speak of all this G/S testing, WHERE are you finding the english versian? I've been hunting on the web for a 100% english one, all I've found is an english gold that is english up until the first gym, then everyone you talk to is not translated. Anyone point me to a 100% english g or s?
Pinstar1@aol.com Is my address. Thanks in advance

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People can't translate the game that quick.... Besides It's going to come out in English eventually...

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Actually, I translated the Silver version, minus about 80 PokéDex entries and all Item/Attack descriptions in about two months. It's not that hard.

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Would it be possible to send me it?

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If it is a cart and not a rom, then I will pay you for it! IM SO SICK AND TIRED of haveing to fuss with the stupid japanese cart! makes me nutz!

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Are you going to put the patch up on your site at all.... That would rock....

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Back on topic...

So basically, any pokémon with a decent move (Recover, Transform, etc.) is genderless???: : This is good and bad. It gives the game more balance, yes, but the imbalance would only be in the favor of the much more experienced players. All those whiny 5-year-olds wouldn't have the patience giving [insert name of favorite pokémon here] Recover, Transform, etc. boo-hoo, but woo-hoo? : :

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Something has been somewhat bothering me ever since people started associating gender and stats. I doubt that it's actually true. Consider original R/B/Y Pokémon, for instance. It's possible to obtain 15 in every DV with some time, but if you trade the Pokémon to G/S, how can it figure out whether to make it a male or a female due to DVs?

What I think is that there's some sort of special calculation formula for gender in G/S. Typically, a higher Attack DV would be more likely to result in a male Pokémon, but the other possibility is also probable.

It's either that, or gender is totally random.

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quote:
Originally posted by Marcus Majarra:
It's possible to obtain 15 in every DV with some time, but if you trade the Pokémon to G/S, how can it figure out whether to make it a male or a female due to DVs?

I don't understand your point. If genes (DVs, whatever) are static for each Pokemon and this info is transferred when you trade Pokemon (which it is), where's the problem?

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Well, say you caught a Pokémon with DVs of 15 in both Attack and Defense, and you traded to G/S. How would the game determine the Pokémon's gender?

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quote:
Originally posted by Marcus Majarra:
Well, say you caught a Pokémon with DVs of 15 in both Attack and Defense, and you traded to G/S. How would the game determine the Pokémon's gender?

It would determine the gender based on the rules cfalcon described. I still don't see why it would any different than catching a Pokemon in G/S.

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This stinks, so your saying all female pokemon have weaker attacks? Shouldn't they make up for that by haveing better def or hps? I really like to have a few fems on my G/S team but wouldn't want them all to be weak. It should be MFMFMFMFMFMF.... for the different Deter values. Anyone know Where the M/F barrier is on Otashi?

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quote:
Originally posted by Pinstar:
This stinks, so your saying all female pokemon have weaker attacks? Shouldn't they make up for that by haveing better def or hps? I really like to have a few fems on my G/S team but wouldn't want them all to be weak. It should be MFMFMFMFMFMF.... for the different Deter values. Anyone know Where the M/F barrier is on Otashi?


Hey! Females can still have 15DV special! Also pokemon like Jynx and Nidoqueen are all females so use some of them... most pokemon are MMMMMMMM FFFFFFFF; I'd assume he is too but then again the only GS names I can recognize as who they are yet are Serebii, Houhou, Lugia, & Pichu. So I really have no idea who you're talking about
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Additionally, genes make up only 30 points at level 100, which, while signifigant in terms of defense on a Chansey, is insignifigant in terms of attack on a Dragonite

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Somewhere above someone asked Otachi's Male/Female distribution. For Otachi it's the basic 50%/50%. A few notables are that Togepi and its evolution are 1/8 female, Py, and Pupurin 6/8 female. Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee, and their other evolutionary forms (pre-evolution, and pre-'s third form) and all male only. Sorry, but your skirt-bound Hitmonchan can't be female. We'll just call it a kilt, 'kay ^_^

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True.... oh well, guess I make the fems on my team the special-oriented ones.

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