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The Muffin King
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posted 02-18-2003 05:14 PM      Profile for The Muffin King   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just a place for people to post 2 on 2 team combinations. I'll start:

Eggy/Meganium & Groudon

Eggy/ Meganium- Leech Seed, Synthesis, Solar Beam, Ancient Power (Safegaurd/L-Screen/Reflect for Meganium maybe). @ Leftovers/ Quick Claw
Groudon's characteristic makes it sunny, which allows Eggy to gain speed (which it really needs), and allows both to heal fully in one turn, and unleash a 99.6% accurate 180 power attack in one turn. AP is for the possibility of a boost and/or pokemon that's weak to it, although I might drop it for a support move or something (especially on Meganium). But, alas, I'm torn between Exeggutor and Meganium. Eggy's got more weaknesses and less staying power, but can dish out more damage. Meganium can't sweep like Eggy, but it can Safegaurd, Light Screen, or Relect, which makes for a nice and happy Groudon (assuming that the screens protect both pokemon). It'd also be great if I could Leech Seed someone and have it go to Groudon. And then, who knows what they can learn in RS. So far though, I'm favoring Meganium. Hrmm..

Groudon- Eruption, Ancient Power, Earthquake, Rest/Whatever @ Leftovers/Mint Berry
Since I can't think of a solid rock move, and don't have any stat boosters, I'm relying on Ancient Power, although hopefully there's a more powerful rock attack. The rest of the set should seem obvious. Only problem I have is deciding betweem Mint Berry or Leftovers. Normally I'd take leftovers, but as Eruption's power is based on the amount of remaining HP, Minty Rest might be good, but I'm not sure. I'm also feeling guilty about not having something like Build Up in here...Oh well. Love his characteristic though.

Ok, so Eggy/Meggy aren't available, and Groudon's a cheap ass mofo, but they work really well together. Simple strategy, no? Problem is, this seems like a very obvious combination, and to be honest, who'd fall for it?

Now, questions I have:

1. Is it possible for Eggy/Meggy to have Synthesis and Ancient Power and Leech Seed?
2. Do Solar Beam and Ancient Power hit one, or two pokemon?
3. Does Leech Seed hit both pokemon, or one? If so, does it feed to both Eggy/Meggy and Groudon?
4. If say, Kyogre or Golduck was switched in, would the Sunny Day effect vanish?
5. Does Whirl Wind hit both Pokemon? If not, and Groudon was switched out, how long would the Sunny Day last?
6. Does Safegaurd protect both pokemon?
7. Does Sandstorm cancel out Sunny Day?
8. Do the powders (Sleep, Poison, Stun Spore, Spore) hit both, or one pokemon?

EDIT: For the current 202 metagame, possible grass for this combo types are:
Roselia Grass/Poison; Spikes/Sweet Scent/Leech Seed, Aroma Therapy, Syntheis, Solar Beam
(HP:70 At:43 De:53 SpA:43 SpD:53 Spe:40 = 302 ).
Roselia would rock as a supporter...(Aroma Therapy (which is essentially Heal Bell), Sweet Scent, Cotton Spore, Spikes) except for STATS THAT ARE SHITTY AS HELL. Fuck, this was really a waste of a potentially good poke. Then Groudon could rest and Roselia could wake it up with Aroma Therapy. But it won't last-I mean, this thing can prolly get off one hit before it bites it. At least it heals itself on it's way out. Btw, can someone tell me what "Ne-O-Haru" is?

Toropiusu Grass/Flying; Synthesis, Solar Beam, Whirl Wind, Leech Seed/Safegaurd
(HP:99 At:68 De:83 SpA:72 SpD:87 Spe:51 = 460).
I guess he's ok...Whirl is nice, especially to pseudo haze, and he can also attract and use "Magical Leaf" (whatever the hell that is), so he doesn't seem that bad. But at the same time, he doesn't really seem to stand out, but he is immune to Earthquake, and can Safegaurd. Gets faster during a Sunny Day. Too bad he doesn't have staying power.

EDIT: Since Earthquake apparently hits both oppenents and your partner, Toropiusu might actually be the way to go.


Yureidoru Grass/Rock; Recover/Leech Seed/Ne-O Haru, Giga Drain/Ancient Power, Barrier, Mirror Coat
(HP:86 At:81 De:97 SpA:81 SpD:107 Spe:43 = 495).
It would've been nice if Yure got Synthesis, but recover's ok. The problem is, he just seems to be more of a stand alone pokemon, instead of one that goes into effect with a partner. Recover, Amnesia, Barrier, Mirror Coat, Confuse Ray...that's a nice selection. The only real way I can see him work well with Groudon though is if Sandstorm doesn't cancel Sunny Day. At least he can't be forced to switch out, which is nice considering all the build up moves he gets. Still, I'd rather go with Toropiusu or Jukain for this combo.

Jukain Pure Grass; Screech, Solar Beam, Safegaurd, Leech Seed/Roar/Double Team/Earthquake @Leftovers
(HP:70 At:85 De:65 SpA:105 SpD:85 Spe:120 = 530)
I like this guy...ALOT. Possibly even more than Meganium. His only downiside really is his lack of Synthesis and staying power, something which Meganium has, although Leech Seed/Leftovers can cover that to an extent. What Meganium doesn't have however, are Screech and Roar. Screech things for Groudon to kill, or Roar Baton Passers away, and with his nice speed he can get Safegaurd off fairly well. Earthquake just for randomness sake. Me like Jukain alot. He even learns Beak Slash...although it's kinda pointless. But as good as he is, if Meganium got Roar or even Screech in RuSa, Jukain won't be my first choice. But as it stands, it seems like he's the best option of the 202er's, which is what's legal now. Plus SolarBeam gets stronger if he's low on HP.

Oh, a big thnx goes out to Tghost and his bitchin' RSDex.

[ 02-22-2003, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: The Muffin King ]

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I don't know of any way short of Mewtation-breeding with Ditto in GSC that will get Synthesis/AP/Leech Seed Eggy. Sorry.

Gyarados/Rhydon is a decent 2v2 combo - Lightning Rod saving Gyara's ass from Electric moves long enough for a charge-up kill - but it's not all that supportive.

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quote:
Originally posted by Donald:
I don't know of any way short of Mewtation-breeding with Ditto in GSC that will get Synthesis/AP/Leech Seed Eggy. Sorry.

What about Meganium? I think that's theoretically possible: A Pokecenter Bulbasaur with Ancient Power and Leech Seed. But there's another way to do it, IIRC. If Meganium can get this set, then it's definitely in.
quote:
Originally posted by Donald:
Gyarados/Rhydon is a decent 2v2 combo - Lightning Rod saving Gyara's ass from Electric moves long enough for a charge-up kill - but it's not all that supportive.

True, but one Surf from anything with a decent SpA can take Rhydon out. Same for Thunderbolt concerning Gyrados. Both are quad weak with bad SpD's.

EDIT: Xatu and Kek-king. Xatu uses Skill Swap, giving Kek-king the "Early Rising" characterisitc, and Xatu switches out to something else.

[ 02-19-2003, 12:16 AM: Message edited by: The Muffin King ]

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quote:
Originally posted by The Muffin King:
1. Is it possible for Eggy/Meggy to have Synthesis and Ancient Power and Leech Seed?
2. Do Solar Beam and Ancient Power hit one, or two pokemon?
3. Does Leech Seed hit both pokemon, or one? If so, does it feed to both Eggy/Meggy and Groudon?
4. If say, Kyogre or Golduck was switched in, would the Sunny Day effect vanish?
5. Does Whirl Wind hit both Pokemon? If not, and Groudon was switched out, how long would the Sunny Day last?
6. Does Safegaurd protect both pokemon?
7. Does Sandstorm cancel out Sunny Day?
8. Do the powders (Sleep, Poison, Stun Spore, Spore) hit both, or one pokemon?

1) I'm 99% sure it's possible. Not sure how... but I'm certain it is.

2) I'm 99% sure they both hit just 1.

3) Leech Seed hits one poke, and only feeds the guy who used it. If that guy switches out, it heals the switch-in new guy, never the partner poke.

4) The newer poke that causes weather change will have his effect take place. I.e., it would start to rain. Now, as for both starting at the same time.... no clue.

5) No clue and no clue.

6) Doubt it.

7) If it follows Hail's pattern, which the E5 use, and Hail cancels out Sunny Day (Annoying little ice freaks...), I'd assume it does, just like GSC.

8) Hit 1, I am 99% sure. There is a list, somewhere, of moves that hit 2 guys..

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In theory, the sun would last for three more turns after Groudon switched out - whatever Groudon did last is one, the switch is two.

At least, that's my interpretation.

And anything w/Skill Swap + Kekking is going to be a hot combo, I suspect.

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Not really. Once the Skill Swapper dies, all characteristics go back to how they were. Safeguard works for both pokemon in your party. But don't use Earthquake on any Poison subtype; it hits both opponents and your partner.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
...it hits both opponents and your partner.

Son of a bitch...really? Damn. Toropiusu might be useful then...

[ 02-19-2003, 10:54 PM: Message edited by: The Muffin King ]

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Ne-O Haru is a move which;

a) prevents you from switching out
b) Gives recovery each turn - same amount as leftovers.

Basically, I only find use for it on Yureidoru, and then as a filler move, and only because it's a BP Target and I don't want to switch it out anyway, plus it could use that Recovery (with attached Leftovers, it means less turns using Recover, and more turns using a boosted attack and "Haha. You can't Roar me. Haze? I laugh at your pitiful Chromatic counter-defense move. Taunt? Well, I was going to attack you anyway. Skill Swap? Ahh, bugger. Oh well, I'll just wipe out your Skill Swapper.")

Getting Leech Seed / AP / Synthesis Meganium is actually quite easy, at least in Metallics.

Breed AP onto Meganium. There's several ways to do this. Then, learn up Synthesis. Now, breed with an Exeggutor. It learns Leech Seed at level 13, and will accept Synthesis and Ancientpower as bred moves. Then, you can breed it all back to another Meganium if you want, or keep it on an Eggy.

As for the rest of it, well, hopefully R/S will start to pick up after the English release, and not just be "WTF? You can't even fight yet"

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quote:
Originally posted by Tghost:
Ne-O Haru is a move which;

a) prevents you from switching out
b) Gives recovery each turn - same amount as leftovers.

That's a really nice move, and it could work fairly well on Yureidoru. Barrier, Mirror Coat, Ne-O Haru, Ancient Power/Giga Drain. That seems pretty good to me, and not being able to be forced to switch is awesome too.

EDIT: Ne-O Haru pevents you, as in the user from switching. Damn, that's useless.

quote:

Breed AP onto Meganium. There's several ways to do this. Then, learn up Synthesis. Now, breed with an Exeggutor. It learns Leech Seed at level 13, and will accept Synthesis and Ancientpower as bred moves.

Thanks, it's been a while since I've done breeding with Grasses. I need to find my copy of Stadium 2, that has 'em all listed nicely and neatly.

Now I'm actually leaning twoards using Toropiusu, since he doesn't get affected by Groudon's E-quake, can Safegaurd and Whirlwind. Too bad this is an open invitation for Ice Beam.

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With Eruption and/or AP on Groudon, Ices shouldn't be a problem, except for highly defensive ones. Groudon's got okay speed, 90 base (faster than all Ices in the 202). Now, non-Ices bearing Ice moves, that'll pose a hazard. Also, why can't there be a Bideing/attacking 2-vs-2 team? One Bides while the other attacks. If the opponent refuses to attack you, you can just attack your partner.

[ 02-20-2003, 05:00 PM: Message edited by: Dark_Herakurosu ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Herakurosu:
With Eruption and/or AP on Groudon, Ices shouldn't be a problem, except for highly defensive ones. Groudon's got okay speed, 90 base (faster than all Ices in the 202). Now, non-Ices bearing Ice moves, that'll pose a hazard. Also, why can't there be a Bideing/attacking 2-vs-2 team? One Bides while the other attacks. If the opponent refuses to attack you, you can just attack your partner.

umm... If you bide, both opponents start hitting you, and you die in like 1 round... Slaughter while you do nothing.

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Of course that leaves the other open to attack freely.

But I'm not a big fan of Bide anyways. I guess something with REALLY high staying power might be able to pull it off... Of course the opponent(s) could just use that as an opportunity to heal, build up stats, or concentrate on your partner. IMO, it's useless.

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Damn it. This is all so confusing now. No wonder I decided to stay away from RuSa info until the English version came out. At least then it will be easier to remember good pokemon's names, good combos, etc.

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That's part of the fun of it, along with being anxious to explore a new game and be the first to think of movesets that could become a standard.

For example, I made Blaziken and Slaking sets and couldn't wait to be the first to post them. Then I looked at Tghost's team, and sure enough, they were there. Bastard [Smile]

In my mind, it's like a competition to see who can define the new meta-game first, but maybe I'm just wacko [Embarrassed]

EDIT: By meta-game I meant movesets, etc. JP's definition is more accurate.

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I think you can switch Groudon as soon it has entered the battle. Then, you will have 4 turns of sunlight.

quote:
In my mind, it's like a competition to see who can define the new meta-game first, but maybe I'm just wacko
IMHO, it's a competition to see who is the first to use that moveset/combination (japs don't count). Like Atmuk and Uiruuga. Metagame will be defined by clauses and bans.

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one partner has an explosion team..the other one pulls out a ghost. easy as pie.
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I made that yummy Samayooru moveset... :-)

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I'll get you all back!

Actually I'm just going to post my team here, for all to see in it's ultimate 1337ness! I shall pwn j00

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