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Uiru
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posted 12-14-2002 11:58 AM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I says to meself, "Uiru, yer preliminary team might have all different colors, and that would make ya happy because yer made happy by the simplest o' things." So then I goes and checks and lo and behold, my preliminary team's got two Red (well, a red and a pink), two White and two Blue. Fuck, I says.

If the two Blue weren't Latios and Metagurosu, I'd whip them out for another Red and White.

Now for the actual team. I'm not putting down items until I know if there are any new ones.

#012 Butterfree (female)
Bug-Flying type

Characteristic: Compound Eyes (increases accuracy)
Personality: +Speed, -Attack
Currently attainable: No (and I'm saving a spot for it [Razz] )

Attacks:
Silver Wind
Psychic
Stun Spore
Attract

Butterfree is here because I said so. The idea is to shaft something with Stun Spore and Attract while its partner breaks things, then to go for the Bug boost with Silver Wind. Then you can ph33r 8u773rfr33's P5ych1c. Butterfree is also my excuse if anyone complains about the use of Latios and Metagurosu. [Big Grin]

#257 Bashaamo (female)
Fire-Fighting type

Characteristic: Raging Fire (increases Fire attack power at low HP)
Personality: +Speed, -Defence
Currently attainable: Yes

Attacks:
Blaze Kick
Earthquake
Reversal
Endure

It's Heracross 2.0! I'm probably going to be told to lose Reversal for Sky Upper, but think about it- given Bashaamo's crap for defences, it's not going to be at very high Health for very long, is it? Best to get the Speed up, the Health down, and then start bitching out with not one, but two attacks that make use of low Health. Blaze Kick has unique appeal, and a 25% crit hit rate which just begs for Scope Lens.

#304 Mirokarosu (female)
Water type

Characteristic: Mysterious Scale (Increases Defence while under a status ailment)
Personality: +Speed, -Attack
Currently attainable: Yes

Attacks:
Surf
Ice Beam
Mirror Coat
Recover (OMG MC RECOVER STANDARD STANDARD WTF)

Someone tell me that the one that learns Recover does not evolve from the one who breeds for Mirror Coat... please? This is too good to be true. And that Special Defence is so sexy... Do we have a Kyogre counter? (It can take a totally maxed Thunder...)

#369 Saanaito (female)
Psychic type

Characteristic: Trance (copies enemy's characteristic) (how does this work in 2vs2?)
Personality: +Speed, -Attack
Currently attainable: Yes

Attacks:
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Jack'O'Lanturn (IT TASTES LIKE BURNING)
Destiny Bond

It's not that I purposefully want a team full of females... But Saanaito MUST be a girl. As far as I'm concerned, half the species is just going to have to faze out of existance when I get the game. (As for the others, I've always thought of Butterfree as a girl, Mirokarosu is 75% female and Bashaamo looks very feminine to me.) I'm not completely sure of the moves yet; Saanaito can do Mean Look/Hypnosis/Dream Eater fairly easily, but given the large amounts of Pokémon that resist Sleep... But in 2vs2, Saanaito can Burn Mirokarosu, activating its Defence raise and protecting it from meaner ailments, and with all the Recovering going on the damage might not be as bad as it seems. (Or I can just give it Leftovers.)

#375 Metagurosu (genderless)
Steel-Psychic type

Characteristic: YOU ARE DEAD (er, I mean, Clear Body, which prevents stat-lowering)
Personality: KILL KILL KILL (+Attack, -Speed)
Currently attainable: Yes

Attacks:
The Attack Previously Known As Comet Punch
Psychic
Earthquake
Agility

The simplest formula evar. Speed up your ONE bad stat with one of my favorite moves, then hit things hard. 135 Attack stat is teh sexy, especially with that Attack boost from personality... I would like some Light Screen or Reflect on this team somewhere, so either Psychic or Earthquake might go for one of them... And the resistances this thing has! It's only weak against Fire and Ground, too. But where am I going to get a second Earthquake TM... I absolutely do not want to clone items in this game. If I can't get another one, I'll put a shield there.

#383 Latios (male)
Dragon-Psychic type

Characteristic: Floating (kiss my ass Groudon [Big Grin] )
Personality: +Special Attack, -Attack
Currently attainable: Yes (I'm getting Ruby, you see)

Attacks:
Dragonbreath
Raster Purge
Thunderbolt
Recover

Just let me get Latios in a fight with a Wobbuffet. Raster Purge, Recover, Raster Purge, Recover. It'll die before Latios does. (Does Raster Purge really increase Defence and Special Attack? And is it better than a mere 10% chance?) As for Dragonbreath, I prefer the 30% chance of fuxxor. Latios' SA is pushing 400 anyway after the personality boost, so it's still going to hurt things- why not PAR them too?

The team has no weakness that's repeated more than twice. All but Butterfree are immediately attainable in Ruby. And now for questions!

1. What relevance does Color have?

2. How much does Compound Eyes increase Butterfree's Accuracy? Is Supersonic usable now? Can Stun Spore be the new Thunderwave?

3. Do shields like Reflect, Light Screen and Safeguard protect both members in 2vs2? And does Stun Spore and Sleep Powder affect one or two opponents?

4. Would Safeguard protect Butterfree if it Paralyzed something with Synch?

Comments appreciated.
~Uiru

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Butterfree -

Well, I always thought that the extra accurrate Sleep Powder would be the main appeal here. But Par/attract should work well too, particularly in a 2vs2 battle. It will be tougher to completely counter, at least.

Anyways, the set and stats are fine. And if you care, the new RS Bug/Flying (Agehanto) can swing the same set.

Bashaamo -

Blaze Kick takes advantage of low HP???

Good set though...

Mirokarosu + Saanaito -

Pretty clever idea with the characteristic, esspecially since it will allow you to burn others and force them to use special attacks (making Mirror Coat even more viable). Do you have any idea how much of a difference the defense boost makes?

Both have fine sets, and should work well together.

Metagurosu -

The set is fine, but I have to wonder if you're overdoing the Psychics...

Latios -

No issues here.

Overall -

This team has a very well designed offense. All the bases covered there. It does a great job of coming up with good combos and such without sacrificing the ability to get some damage when you need it.

Couple of things to consider -

Lack of status defence. Aside from burning your teammates, there doesn't seem to be much of it. I'm sure you could fit on a Safeguard or two, but that might cause problems with your Mirakarosu strategy...

Also, as far as I can tell, Bashaamo is the only one who can hurt Nukenin.

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posted 12-14-2002 01:49 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's not Blaze Kick as much as the Raging Fire characteristic... When Bashaamo gets to low HP, its Fire attack damage goes up. By how much I'm not sure, but I'm going to assume 50% for now. (I'm also assuming 50% for Mirokarosu's characteristic.)

Watch this.

338 Attack + 100 pwr Earthquake -> 298 Defence + 2x weakness = 194 max damage

318 Special Attack + 85 pwr Blaze Kick + STAB + Raging Fire + Sunny Day -> 298 Special Defence = 260 max damage

I'm considering losing Earthquake for Sunny Day. It outdamages Earthquake, and that's BEFORE considering the chance of Critical (33% if I get a Scope Lens). It also weakens Water moves, which is nice as Water Wave seems to be learned by anything that'll take it. Fun fact: A Bashaamo's critical Blaze Kick while Raging Fire is active is a 1HKO on Groudon. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] Too bad you've only got one shot, and if Groudon has a Speed-boosting personality too... Endure the 5000 damage-causing Earthquake, then kick it. Hopefully it'll get the idea and leave. [Smile]

As for Nukenin... Can Saanaito Burn it? It is a Fire attack, after all... If there's some kind of overuse of a 1 HP insect, though, I can put Shadow Ball on Metagurosu over Earthquake. (Or I could put Shadow Ball over Butterfree's Psychic! SUCK THAT! [Big Grin] )

Three Psychics is a problem, agreed, but one of them is neutral to all three Psychic weaknesses, and the Psychic type neutralizes one of its other weaknesses as well. I don't think Metagurosu is worried about Dark types, when it can just reach out and step on them. HEY TY! LEAVE! [Big Grin]

Safeguard on Metagurosu is looking like a good idea... Thanks for the imput. [Smile]
~Uiru

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posted 12-17-2002 11:27 AM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am considering making some changes to movesets.

Saanaito- I'm thinking about giving it Synchronize instead, and switching Destiny Bond for Skill Swap. I wouldn't want it to get stuck with Lazy or something, and I'd want to keep Floating or Acceleration if I could get it. [Big Grin]

Bashaamo- I don't think Endure + Reversal is possible without access to Smeargle... Until I figure that out, I'm going to go with Blaze Kick, Sky Upper, Overheat and Sunny Day. The nice part about Bashaamo is that it can still use Sky Upper after Overheat, so it doesn't nessessarily have to run away.

Metagurosu- Safeguard over Psychic. I don't expect Psychic to do THAT much damage, especially given the amount of pain it can unleash with Comet Punch and Earthquake.
~Uiru

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quote:
Originally posted by Uiru:
I am considering making some changes to movesets.
Bashaamo- I don't think Endure + Reversal is possible without access to Smeargle... Until I figure that out, I'm going to go with Blaze Kick, Sky Upper, Overheat and Sunny Day. The nice part about Bashaamo is that it can still use Sky Upper after Overheat, so it doesn't nessessarily have to run away.

~Uiru

KekKing... same breeding group, and can learn both moves.

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Raster purge has a 50% chance of lowering special defense.

And what about giving Saanaito enlighten? It'd go very well with its 00ber special attack [Smile]

As for mirror coat on Mirokarosu, that's pretty good, but you should fear electrification, which doubles electric damage. It has such a high special defense that it might survive electric attacks from weaker pokes, even with the help of electrification, but still...

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posted 12-18-2002 02:59 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Raster purge has a 50% chance of lowering special defense.
Yeah, I nearly creamed myself when I read that.

Okay, that might be a slight exaggeration, but still. Kicks the crap out of what I thought it did. ^_^ Wham! Shoom... WHAM

quote:
KekKing... same breeding group, and can learn both moves.
Kekking is a dirty, dirty whore. And its whorishness shall serve me well.

Silly me... Kekking doesn't learn it at all. Its middle form does. That's what I get for only checking lowest forms. ^_^ Once my profiles are done, that won't be a problem anymore. [Smile]

(Kekking is Groudon/Kyogre level...! Too bad about that characteristic, ne? Of course you could always Skill Swap it and blow up the other guy...)

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As for mirror coat on Mirokarosu, that's pretty good, but you should fear electrification, which doubles electric damage. It has such a high special defense that it might survive electric attacks from weaker pokes, even with the help of electrification, but still...

Good God, everything and its mother learns Electrification. [Frown] Assuming max stats all around, a Raichu (278 SA) does 394 max damage after Electrification with Thunderbolt. Perhaps Light Screen on Saanaito wouldn't be such a bad idea...

Now does Rhydon's Lightning Rod ability draw AND null Electric attacks? Say if Saanaito steals it with Skill Swap, will she just take all the Electric damage intended for Mirokarosu or will she null it too?
~Uiru

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Kek-king can't learn Skill Swap, (damn good thing, too) but you could always switch it out when you expect your opponent to use it.

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No, I meant have one of YOURS target it. You can do that, right? Let some crap bug or something take Lazy and bugger off while you start hurting things. Its SD sucks, but it can Sleep Talk, and the bugger's fast.

Oh, and Electrification isn't so scary... It's 'only' a 1.5x boost, apparently. Mirokarosu can take a Thunderbolt from a Zapdos. Given max stats all around AND an SA-boosting personality, Thunderbolt does 404 max damage- a mere 11 points above Mirokarosu's HP (I think). I think I might change Mirokarosu's personality to SD+... [Big Grin]
~Uiru

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About Kekking... in 2vs2 battles, Golduck can back it up, if it has Moisture. Does this work?

And Lightning Rod doesn't prevent damage from electric attacks. The deal about Rhydon is its ground type. A combo, got it? Oo'

But... if I poison Sanaito using Nidoking, will my pokémon be poisoned due to Synchronize, once its immune? Twineedle has poisoned some Steel types, but would it be the same?

Hehe... it seems that we can use Sanaito to boost Bravado and Willpower together XD That sounds good...

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Lightning Rod just draws Electric attacks. Raiboruto (Electric dog-thing) has it, and he just takes the half damage. Also, Safeguard would prevent any status changes on your pokes, including those from Synchro.

Banebuu, Xatu, and Jiraachi are your best bets for Skill Swapping Kek-King with. Banebuu has either 'Hot Grease', preventing Freeze & Burn status, or 'My Pace', which prevents confusion. Xatu has 'Early Rising', waking from Sleep earlier (including Rest), and Jiraachi has 'Angel Blessing', meaning special effects of attacks happen more. Of course, you'd have to sacrifice one pokemon to make another nigh invulnerable. Sounds fun.

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Hmm.... use Skill Swap, free Kekking for mass destruction and then switch out the Lazy one.

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Electrification = 2x damage.

But... it only works for the next attack... so it's really predictable. My god, why did they make this attack suck so much, while it had so much potential ~_~

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quote:
Originally posted by JP Nogueira:
Hmm.... use Skill Swap, free Kekking for mass destruction and then switch out the Lazy one.

Or use skill swap again, but against your opponent. I'm sure he'll like it.
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quote:
Or use skill swap again, but against your opponent. I'm sure he'll like it.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO NOT ATTACK? VERY WELL HERE YOU GO OOPS I KILLED YOU

I think I may work Kekking into my team. ^_^;;
~Uiru

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BTW, Jack O'Lanturn is only 75% accurate, so I'd think twice about using it.
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It's essentially a Powder move... which I have used and have had used on me many times in the past. It may miss, but that's to be expected.
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quote:
Originally posted by JP Nogueira:
About Kekking... in 2vs2 battles, Golduck can back it up, if it has Moisture. Does this work?

Do you want good KekKing combos?

Not 2vs2, but 1vs1, this would be awesome:

Bring out Nukenin. Everyone and their dog will want his power, (Too bad Yamirami can't Skill Swap... they knew this combo would rock too much [Big Grin] ) so they will bring out their Skill Swapper, if they have any.
Bring in KekKing.
They Swap for Lazy.
KekKing begins major pwnage.

Wash, rinse... well, no need to repeat; it's pretty much over, at this point, unless they roar.

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Unfortunately, the fact is that skill swap does not work with mysterious protection.
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quote:
Originally posted by Fluorine:
Unfortunately, the fact is that skill swap does not work with mysterious protection.

[Eek!] [Mad] [Frown]

Boo to that.

On somewhat better tones... I have 2more times to post this:

I have some somewhat-good news.

For those of you who don't like taking the time to figure out all of your poke's stats in Ru/Sa, and for those who live under the delusion that all the old standards will rock as badly as they used to, I've made an Ru/Sa stat calculator.

Input all the Base Stats, DVs, Effort Values and personalities, ensuring they're within the limits (And it checks for the 510 Total Effort value thing [Razz] ), and it spits out the stats you'd have, and the max stats, given the base stat and running it through with max everything-else, that poke could have.

http://www.angelfire.com/games2/LanderZ/rusacalcs.html

Fun, no? Probably a little too tedious for mass use, but if someone could make a bot that allows you to input pokes at your leisure, with moves at your leisure, these stats could be used, so we could have 'working' R/S bots long before Fanha can get everything programmed in (Since that'll take forever; no offense to Fanha, but there is a LOT to try and program into his bots), so we could still battle with 'legal' teams, and such.

I also put money on the fact that Fanha won't use the 510 Effort value thing, or anything-but-max-stats, again....

(Posting this in a few places, especially with the Ru/Sa teams, so people can see it [Smile] )

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