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Pinsir_sama
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posted 11-28-2003 09:02 PM      Profile for Pinsir_sama   Email Pinsir_sama   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I evolved jolt too early and now i cant ge FE. Any Ideas? :'(?
Mebbe...
THunder Wave
Thunderbolt
DoubleTeam
Substitute? :[

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Thomaz
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posted 11-30-2003 05:44 AM      Profile for Thomaz   Author's Homepage   Email Thomaz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pin Missile?

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Nothing.

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Donald
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posted 11-30-2003 01:50 PM      Profile for Donald   Email Donald      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Off 228 Attack?

-_-

I'd go with Thunderbolt, Thunder Wave, Reflect, and Sand-Attack or Substitute if you can't get FE.

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posted 12-03-2003 09:06 AM      Profile for Turbo X     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pin Missle is very weak, Jolt's Attack is sub-par, and his Special is pretty good. The only thing I see that Pin Missle would do more damage against than T-Bolt is 4x weak Eggy. So unless you are stuck in a forest of palm trees, T-Bolt is a better attacking choice.
I like the posted moveset, except that you can't hit Grounds. Therefore, you could DT up all the way, just as the opponent brings in a Ground. You've have to switch out and get rid of all of them. But unless you want to give up the Sub/Reflect for either Pin Missle or Double Kick, I don't see anything better.

Hence...
T-Wave
T-Bolt
Double Team
Sub/Reflect

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Ethan
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Thunderbolt
Pin Missle
Thunder Wave
Substitute (To protect it from being paralyzed in stadium, if you use stadium).

Pin Missle is good on Jolteon. For Exeggutors. It's standard fare with Focus Energy Jolteon. (TB/FE/TW/PM)

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quote:
Originally posted by Ethan:
Pin Missle is good on Jolteon.

Since you ended a sentence there, I'm going to quote you in all your miserable, ready-to-be-laughed-at-for-idiocy-rivalling-tl;dr, glory.

Honestly, 3/8 chance [if it hits] of doing like 30 base power attack. Running off of Jolteon's god-awful attack stat... Even a 4x ineffective Thunderbolt would do more, 9 times in 10.

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White Cat
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Ned, it helps if you actually do the math.

Jolteon vs. Exeggutor (no CH):
- Average damage from Thunderbolt: 12.98%
- Average damage from Pin Missile: 30.03% (assuming it hits)
- Average damage from Pin Missile: 25.19% (adjusted for accuracy)

Pin Missile is far better against Exeggutor because the Attack-vs-Defense ratio (85%) is only slightly worse than the Special-vs-Special ratio (91%), while Pin Missile is eight times more effective than Thunderbolt against Eggy's type (4 / 0.5), or 5.33 times after STAB.

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LanderZRPG
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posted 12-04-2003 09:44 PM      Profile for LanderZRPG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, now factor in two out of 151 pokes, and you'll see just how useful it is.

If it doesn't kill the egg, you're going to be paralyzed or put to sleep, anyway. Plus, you take a LOT more from its Psychic than it takes from your Pin Missile. If you put a move in to deal with ONE pokemon, and the fact remains that that very pokemon still slaughters you [unlike HP Water Zapdos in GSC, for example... it OHKO's golems and the like.... Jolteon just sucks eggs with that move], then it's a waste.

If there's nothing better, feel free to put it in. But I fail to see the point to deal with 1 poke, and still get owned by that poke.

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White Cat
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Plus, you take a LOT more from its Psychic than it takes from your Pin Missile.

Once again, how about you actually do the damn math?

Exeggutor's average Psychic damage to Jolteon is 34.83%. This is slightly more than Jolteon's non-CH Pin Missile. It has the advantage of being more accurate, but Jolteon is faster (with the accomanying high-CH rate). This means that:
  • If Jolteon has both Focus Energy and Pin Missile, it will most likely win.
  • If Jolteon has Pin Missile alone, it's a toss-up.
  • If Jolteon has neither, it loses miserably.
Also consider that Eggy is very common in Chromatics, along with the odd Venusaur.
Furthermore, my previous post didn't even claim that Pin Missile is good on Jolteon (although it is, as I've shown), just that your claim "even a 4x [sic] ineffective Thunderbolt would do more" was totally ignorant.

I was also put off by the "hay guys look at me i'm bashing the newbie ain't i l33t" tone of your post.

In conclusion, I concur with Ethan's moveset recommendation.

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White Cat with the ownage.

quote:
I'm going to quote you in all your miserable, ready-to-be-laughed-at-for-idiocy-rivalling-tl;dr, glory.

Oops..

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Bullshit.

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Thomaz
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posted 12-09-2003 01:49 AM      Profile for Thomaz   Author's Homepage   Email Thomaz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
White Cat is right, Exeggutor and Venusaur are pretty common in RBY. That's my reason to use Pin Missile (with FE of course. [Smile] ), a CH 5x Pin Missile can even OHKO Rhydon. And besides, it has happened to me very often that I only had Jolteon and the opponent had a Ground type. =/

Usually, that would suck. Oh and I have Substitute over Pin Missile in Stadium tho.

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