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Strider
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posted 05-06-2003 11:03 AM
Tauros
Body Slam | Hyper Beam | Earthquake | Horn Drill
Vaporeon
Surf | Ice Beam | Haze | Rest
Slowbro
Amnesia | Surf | Psychic | Rest
Jolteon
Thunder Wave | Pin Missile | Thunderbolt | Focus Energy
Sandslash
Substitute/Swift | Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rock Slide
Articuno
D-Team | Blizzard |Reflect/Toxic | Rest
No comment, all movesets are standard.
Rate please!
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Turbo X
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posted 05-07-2003 10:32 AM
Tauros: Meeh.. I'd try to find a way to put an Electric attack on there somewhere, maybe over Hyper Beam. Water types might be a concern with 2 Waters, an Ice, and a Ground. It might be tough taking the higher defense ones out (such as Slowbro, Starmie, and Lapras), with only Jolteon dispensing of them relatively quickly.
Vaporeon: I'm not too sure that Rest would work well on Vaporeon. His high HP might be able to ensure that he survives the Rest, but he would probably only be able to get one hit off before he'd have to Rest again.
Slowbro: Good enough
Jolteon: About the best you can do with him.
Sandslash: I think I would go with Swift in this situation. He most likely won't be able to survive more than 2 hits from anything special-based besides Electric, and he probably won't be fast enough to put the Sub up first. Maybe you could use Sub, but only if you knew you were up against something with a low Special stat that you know didn't have a Water or Ice attack.
Articuno: OK, I understand the "Reflect in case they have Swift" thing, butthat's pretty much the only reason why you might use it unless you are sure they have a Hazer. I like to go with mega-defense on Cuno - DT/Rest/Substitute/Ice Beam. Ice Beam is for more PP. With this set (and even the one you have), Cuno's going to be around for quite a while. So why bother only giving him 8 PP's max of attack? I can almost see Toxic working as well, but if they switch out, it reverts back to normal poison and would take a little longer to kill. That gives Ice Beam even more importance due to Blizzard's lack of PP and accuracy.
Sorry about the huge Articuno rate. I love him and he works very well, but only in a very few ways due to a lack of TM mobility.
Anyways, like I said, you might have a bit of trouble knocking of Water types. I'm not saying that a Water type would sweep your team, because they'd have trouble with your team too. But it's easier to just get them out of the way instead of getting into a PP war with them. And along with the 2 Waters and Flying types comes the obvious Electric weakness ![[Frown]](frown.gif) which is handled nicely by Sandslash and EQ on Tauros ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
On the flip side of that, at least you know Ground types won't be going anywhere against this team ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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GGFan
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posted 08-03-2005 01:02 PM
Tauros
Body Slam | Hyper Beam | Earthquake | Horn Drill
Horn Drill Tauros = Bad. You really need Blizzard on there. Dump HD for Blizzard. T-Bolting Tauros doesn't really make much sense, it does around the same damage Body Slam would on a Starmie and Lapras except Body Slams paralysis rate is 23% better.
Vaporeon
Surf | Ice Beam | Haze | Rest
Haze in RBY isn't really necessary, a good fraction of teams don't have a single stat upper Pokemon. This could really screw up a Tobybro but Vap falls victim to the likes of Starmie, Chansey and Lapras easily. This is a nice set but I personally like Acid Armor like over Haze to make Vap a defensive tank.
Slowbro
Amnesia | Surf | Psychic | Rest
T-Wave please. NOW. T-Wave over Psychic. Surf OHKOs just about everything in the game and Psychic is a really pointless move since Starmie and Exeggutor, Tobybros mortal enemies, resist this attack.
Jolteon
Thunder Wave | Pin Missile | Thunderbolt | Focus Energy
Back when PBS was the commonly used online simulator I loved T-Bolt/T-Wave/D-Kick/FE. It was a great Chansey killer. Those days are long over with the emergence of Netbattle and other simulators. Because of that Jolteons aura pretty much faded. FE is pointless now so dump it for something like Substitute. Maybe drop Pin Missile for Sand Attack, Sub, T-Wave and SA gets you a somewhat good annoyer Pokemon. But Jolteon gets raped once it gets paralyzed so meh.
Sandslash
Substitute/Swift | Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rock Slide
Swift....bleh. I don't even like Sub, use Body Slam. Yeah, SD up and sweep.
Articuno
D-Team | Blizzard |Reflect/Toxic | Rest
Yikes. D-Team is intolerable in online play and please don't use Toxic. I recommend Ice Beam over D-Team and use Reflect. Mimic could work over Blizzard to get the bird a good move.
Your team is lacking paralysis support and has Pokemon that are rendered defensless against Starmie and Chansey. I would dump Jolteon for a Snorlax with Body Slam/EQ/Hyper Beam/Selfdestruct. Vaporeon isn't really needed either, dump it for a Chansey with T-Bolt/T-Wave/Softboiled/Ice Beam to get yourself the paralysis support you need. Articuno should also be dropped for a Pokemon that can paralyze, Starmie with T-Bolt/T-Wave/Surf or Blizzard/Recover is the ideal choice here.
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posted 08-04-2005 04:59 AM
Your team is pretty strong with that Articuno in it
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Turbo X
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posted 08-09-2005 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by GGFan:
Tauros
Body Slam | Hyper Beam | Earthquake | Horn Drill
Horn Drill Tauros = Bad.
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Vaporeon
Surf | Ice Beam | Haze | Rest
Haze in RBY isn't really necessary, a good fraction of teams don't have a single stat upper Pokemon.
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Slowbro
Amnesia | Surf | Psychic | Rest
T-Wave please. NOW. T-Wave over Psychic. Surf OHKOs just about everything in the game and Psychic is a really pointless move since Starmie and Exeggutor, Tobybros mortal enemies, resist this attack.
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Sandslash
Substitute/Swift | Swords Dance | Earthquake | Rock Slide
Swift....bleh. I don't even like Sub, use Body Slam. Yeah, SD up and sweep.
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Articuno
D-Team | Blizzard |Reflect/Toxic | Rest
Yikes. D-Team is intolerable in online play and please don't use Toxic. I recommend Ice Beam over D-Team and use Reflect. Mimic could work over Blizzard to get the bird a good move.
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Your team is lacking paralysis support and has Pokemon that are rendered defensless against Starmie and Chansey. I would dump Jolteon for a Snorlax with Body Slam/EQ/Hyper Beam/Selfdestruct. Vaporeon isn't really needed either, dump it for a Chansey with T-Bolt/T-Wave/Softboiled/Ice Beam to get yourself the paralysis support you need. Articuno should also be dropped for a Pokemon that can paralyze, Starmie with T-Bolt/T-Wave/Surf or Blizzard/Recover is the ideal choice here.
Remember, this team was made over 2 years ago... so don't apply today's tactical thoughts to older teams.
- Horn Drill Tauros was a GOD back in RBY days when OHKO's were based on Speed.
- "good fraction of teams don't have a signle stat-upper" ...Slowbro w/ Amnesia, Sandslash w/ SD, Articuno w/ DT... and those are the stat-uppers on this team alone. And the ever-present Molly back in RBY. RBY was ripe with boosters, that's why Vaporeon got as much use as it did.
- Again.. Swift was a good move back then because people LOVED using DT.
- By "Starmie and Eggy resist this attack", are you talking about Surf or Psychic?? *Rhetorical question* But since they resist BOTH attacks, your argument against Psychic was a very weak one, at best. The only thing Surf has over Psychic is 5 more base points, and 5 more PP (not counting PP ups, of which it's too late and I'm too lazy to figure the max PP right now). The main argument for Surf or Psychic should be "Surf - Do you want the ability to take out more pokes because of the larger PP, and the ability to take out other pure Psychics easier? or Psychic - Do you want to take the chance to lower their Special 2 levels on average, and have a shot at knocking off the occasional Grass type that pops up (I checked this team and, minus Arti and Jolt if he still has Pin Missile.. Venusaur could put quite the dent into just about all of them)." Either way, Surf would win this argument more often than not.
- O please... DT is intolerable nowadays cause people don't want to waste moveslots trying to take care of it. Well tough crap, the move is in the game for a reason. You don't wanna waste a moveslot defending against it? H*ll, they're wasting a moveslot putting it on their team as well. And how exactly would Mimic get Arti a good move? Remember, this is RBY.. the game chooses at random, not the last move used. So it's not a guarantee you'll get something that helps.
- I think he had a pretty good idea of what he wanted for his team back then. Going through his team and telling him to throw half of it out just because you think it needs more paralyzing moves isn't the best way to rate a team because, in essence, you are creating a whole new one.
::End disection of team rate::
(I know this probably has no meaning whatsoever, as people don't really battle in RBY anymore, but.. meeh) In conclusion, if you think the team you're up against doesn't have any bad-*ss stat-boosters, go ahead and drop Vaporeon for something, as he's probably the weakest on the team. And maybe Zapdos over Jolteon if you want an Electric more suited to using an attack that can take out that random Grass type.
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Dweedle
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posted 08-09-2005 10:30 AM
what is the point of bumping old RMT threads other than to look like an idiot
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posted 08-09-2005 12:03 PM
This topic was made two years ago. So actually what I said actually applied to what RBY is pretty much like today. And it's true that a good fraction of teams don't have a single stat upper. This certainly wasn't "back in the day" nobody was using Horn Drill Tauros then and it isn't used now. And Dweedle, the purpose of my rate was just have a little fun. But if you want to make yourself look like a jerk be my guess. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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posted 08-09-2005 12:08 PM
And how would Mimic Articuno get a good move? You have a chance of getting something like Thunder Wave or Recover when using it. And BTW, yes DT is intolerable. I'd rate your rant 2/10, not very good. Poor rant talking about "back in the day" when 2003 applied to my rate. And there's a reason why DT has been banned in online play like forever, sunshine.
Also, recommending his team a stat booster isn't that great since stat boosters in RBY really aren't that necessary at all. They're good Pokemon but don't tell him like it's a necessity. I would dump Vaporeon for something like Starmie actually. Jolteon could be dropped for something like Zapdos like you said but just watch out for the likes of Golem/Rhydon.
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Turbo X
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posted 08-12-2005 01:30 AM
How about you look down this part of the forum, say... back to the 2003 section? You know, where most of the RMTs were LITTERED with DTs?? In fact, I just looked through and saw 2 separate topics that contained teams with 3+ DTers (one of which was entirely devoted to the move). Not to mention I saw 4 Chanseys with Minimize (and I didn't even look through all the teams).
Also saw 2 that had both Chansey w/ Minimize AND Slowbro w/ Amnesia...
Go by the facts... stat-boosters were everywhere.
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posted 08-12-2005 03:59 PM
Personally, I liked the days when we were allowed one Pokemon with DT/Minimize, that always made it a fun battle, and it was a lot of fun to see which Pokemon your opponent put it on.
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posted 08-12-2005 10:13 PM
Yeah, also the same era that people couldn't stand because it made RBY too much of a stallfest. Something I'm personally glad was banned from RBY play.
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Turbo X
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posted 08-13-2005 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by GGFan:
Poor rant talking about "back in the day" when 2003 applied to my rate. And there's a reason why DT has been banned in online play like forever...
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Posted later in thread by GGFan:
Yeah, also the same era that people couldn't stand because it made RBY too much of a stallfest.
So apparently 2003 is before "forever"... in which case you just admitted i WAS correct in saying that 2003 does NOT apply to todays game... even though you said it WAS like todays game.
Post again once you stop contradicting yourself... or whenever someone else actually talks in those stupid posts about that tourney you have... whichever comes first.
"OMG It's my tourney.. and I'm winning.. YAY ME!!!!" Do you really think anyone cares if you win??
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posted 08-13-2005 02:32 AM
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Originally posted by Turbo X:
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Originally posted by GGFan:
Poor rant talking about "back in the day" when 2003 applied to my rate. And there's a reason why DT has been banned in online play like forever...
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Posted later in thread by GGFan:
Yeah, also the same era that people couldn't stand because it made RBY too much of a stallfest.
So apparently 2003 is before "forever"... in which case you just admitted i WAS correct in saying that 2003 does NOT apply to todays game... even though you said it WAS like todays game.
"Post again once you stop contradicting yourself... or whenever someone else actually talks in those stupid posts about that tourney you have... whichever comes first."
And please come up with a post doesn't make your losing battle look even more poor. I mean, that was a pretty poor rant. The main purpose of me posting my tournament is to record the progress of it. And it's pretty funny how you talk about me contradicting myself and calling my posts stupid. lolz.
Anyways, on to the above argument you constructed.
You obviously had a very hard time understanding my post. It's pretty simple what I said. I said nothing like that at all. You were only wrong by talking about "back in the day" when 2003 applied to my rate. Meaning my rate applied to how the game was played in 2003. Evasion ban was a very well established ban when I started playing, in early 2002. And good job trying to twist my words...of course you'll see attempts like those will usually blow up in your face, just like it did here.
Evasion was certainly not tolerated in online play (RBY for you nitpickers here) in 2003. So yes, I was right as the rate I gave applied to how the game was played in 2003. Ok....moving on now.
"OMG It's my tourney.. and I'm winning.. YAY ME!!!!" Do you really think anyone cares if you win??
An irrlevant post included at the end of your argument. I give it a 1/10. Pretty lame. Nothing to do with the argument and this was nothing more than a cheap shot. And a poor one at that. Yes, I am happy to be hosting a 32 man tournament. And of course I'm glad I won my first two battles. I don't see what's wrong with that. But again, that's only part of the progress I'm recording. Had I lost any of those battles I would have posted it as well. And saying something like "nobody will car if u win" would be as logical as to say "Nobody would care if you won Sneak4". People would care who the winner is obviously. Just not anyone here at least. And that, to me, doesn't matter as it's just a progress report.
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posted 10-06-2005 07:55 PM
Hey buddy if youre still on the forum check this out.
Tauros: Double Team, Earthquake, Body Slam, Blizzard
Tauros needs better evasion or he will fall to special attacks hence the D-Team. Hyper Beams leaves him open to a possibly powerful attack. Blizzard is an awesome move most NORMAL type pokemon should sport. Tauros use only has one strategy. Great evasion + Blitzkrieg tacktics.
Vaporeon: Acid Armor, Rest, Surf, Blizzard
I agree with the previous replys that Vaporeon needs acid armor. With his HP and the Acid Armor deffense he is a walking battle tank. Rest is also a great strategy in a tight spot or just to annoy your opposition. Rest with Acid Armor makes Vaporeon one of the toughest combatants in the game. Surf, and Blizzard are deffinite choices for him.
Slowbro: Double Team, Rest, Amnesia, Surf
Slowbro is a personal favorite of mine but he falls prey too easily to more powerful Electric or Grass types such as Jolteon or Exeggutor. D-Team makes any pokemon hard to hit even if its being attacked by electric types, and it makes up for Slowbros speed. Rest, Amnesia, and Surf make him also a tough customer.
Jolteon: Thunder Wave, Double Team, Thunderbolt, Pin Missile
Jolteon is strong enough. Focus Energy is pointless for him, not to mention Focus Energy actualy lowers the chance of an attack to critical insted of raising it like it was supposed to. This is a glitch in the R/B/Y versions of the game. D-Team you cant go wrong with. How ever I dissagree with some of the previous replys about getting rid of Pin Missile. Pin Missile is Mewtwo's and Alakazam's worst nightmare. Pin Missile with high enough stats can take out a Mewtwo in one turn with 3 to 5 hits.
Sandslash: Swords Dance, Substitute, Rest, Swift
Swords Dance is an excelent choice for Sandslash. Substitute-Rest combo makes for great and annoying deffense. Swords Dance + Swift makes for a lot of accurate damage. Sandslash needs to use Swords Dance at least twice for Swift to leave the competition dumbfounded.
Articuno: Blizzard, Double Team, Rest, Fly
Great pokemon, and great stats. Toxic is an awesome move but is better saved for the pokemon that know Leech Seed, Wrap, or Bind. Replace that with Fly and you will have more offensive choices and fly keeps you safer and your opponent wasting attacks.
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posted 10-06-2005 08:16 PM
Im so sorry that Double Team gave everyone such a head ache, but its called strategy. Quit your damn whining. A great deffense is key to finishing off your opponents. DT is a marvelous move that should be encouraged not put down. Just because it annoys people should not be a reason to ban it. Im sorry its called being a sore looser when you have to ban deffensive moves. I hate playing punch for punch games and Rest with out Double Team is like a man without genetelia. USELESS!!! If you have Rest without DT you should also put in Explosion just so u can go ahead and kill yourself. Rest leaves you too open for attacks for way too long. I understand why Fissure, Horn Drill, and Guillotine are banned but not Double Team. There is no such thing as a real stalemate either unless you all forgot about Struggle. True it's really annoying to play for so long untill you get Struggle, but I have always found those matches most exciting because strategy has obviousely paid off and now its down to which pokemon is stronger and can outlast the other. Thats my opinion at least. Have a good day guys.
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posted 10-08-2005 02:26 AM
I typically like Blizzard on Tauros, but not in this instance. 2 other pokes already have Ice moves, so why bother having another one? And if those are the movesets you would give them, Vaporeon really serves no purpose on that team.
If anything, I'd replace Vaporeon, as stated earlier in this thread; maybe with an Eggy or something to help take out Waters that don't have Ice moves. And maybe then Blizzard could stay on Tauros as only Arti would have it if Vaporeon is gone.
...and I doubt Pin Missile could take out Mewtwo in one turn with his pathetic Attack stat. Maybe if it was boosted by Focus Energy in a working environment, and CHed each time, just MAYBE it could work then.
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posted 10-08-2005 03:03 PM
The battle damage calculator gives that 3 pin-missle crit. hits by a max-stat Jolteon against a max-defense Mewtwo deals a max of 116 and an avg. of 107. Five crit. hits still only yields a max of 192.
In order for a max Stat Jolteon to take out a Mewtwo in one hit, the Mewtwo has to have a defense of only about 190 and only 260 HP. Not a whole lot of Mewtwos like that.
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posted 10-08-2005 05:21 PM
Remmember though in R/B/Y Focus Energy was a glitched move where it actualy lowered the chances of a critical hit actualy occuring. It originaly was supposed to increase the chances but a programing glitch made it lower the chances. Once again I am stating a fact from a game I actualy played. My Jolteon whooped a Mewtwo with a 4 hit Pin Missile. Remmember in live play some people dont have the patience to level their Pokemon up so they use the Rare Candy trick with out using the Box Trick. This means Mewtwo does have low stats. Not by much but enough. In addition my Tangela killed a Mewtwo in a tourney.
Tangela: D-Team, Rest, Toxic, Bind
Moves: D-Team, Rest, D-Team, Rest, Toxic, Bind, Bind
I let Toxic do the work for me.
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posted 10-09-2005 08:56 PM
Then 1 - you've been battling some serious n00bs; and 2 - even with its lowest stats, Mewtwo could survive Pin Missile from the physically weak Jolteon. Either you are trying to get us to believe this crazy far-fetched lie, or your Jolt had about a 15 level advantage that you "conveniently" forgot to tell everyone.
Also, At this tourney w/ Tangela v. Mewtwo.. the opponent had no clue how to use Mewtwo then. Quite a few Mewtwos have Ice Beam, killing Tangela before you get the first Double Team in. Also, apparently he was too stupid to switch out once Toxic was in play. ...or Mewtwo was the last poke available, whichever.
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posted 10-09-2005 09:12 PM
If youre trying to make me feel dumb youre failing. All Im saying it happened and if you cant accept it its your problem not mine.
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posted 10-23-2005 03:07 AM
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If youre trying to make me feel dumb youre failing. All Im saying it happened and if you cant accept it its your problem not mine.
Not making you feel dumb, I'm saying you're lying and/or not revealing enough information, like what levels were each at, and was the Mewtwo previously damaged. It's IMPOSSIBLE for Jolteon to take out Mewtwo with a 4-hit Pin Missile; unless your Jolt was L100 w/ max Attack, their Mewtwo was L66 (i.e. freshly caught), had terrible Defense and HP, AND 2 or more of those 4 Critical Hit. Even if they Rare Candied it to L100, it still gains a few stat points per level, though not nearly as much as if it was Box Tricked. Even if all 5 Pin Missile's CHed the L100 Rare Candied Mewtwo, it would only bring it down to about 40% remaining.
And the second paragraph, when did I say you were dumb? I said your OPPONENT was dumb for letting you set up that Tangela, and not taking the Mewtwo out (if he was capable of doing so) to stop the cumulative damage of Toxic.
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