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Farting Nudist
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posted 10-28-2001 10:57 AM      Profile for Atma   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The RBY standard for Jolteon is Thunderbolt/Thunderwave/FocusEnergy/PinMissile.
But why Pin Missile? Body Slam or Double-Edge would be better.

No, I'm not kidding. Yes, Pin Missile is SE against the psychics that rule RBY, but that's countered by Pin Missile's extreme weakness. Here are the damage results against Alakazam (this assumes no CH):

2-hit: 51-60
3-hit: 74-88
4-hit: 100-118
5-hit: 124-146

I don't remember whether RBY multi-hit atacks are 25% chance each for 2/3/4/5 hits or 3/8 for 2-3 hits and 1/8 for 4-5 hits, so I'll calculate average both...

Average damage (25% each for 2-5 hits): 87.25-103
With acccuracy figured in: 74.1625-87.55
Average Damage (3/8 for 2-3 hits, 1/8 for 4-5 hits): 74.875-88.5
With accuracy figured in: 63.64375-75.225
BodySlam: 74-88 (with 30% paralyze rate)
Double-Edge: 87-103 (with 22-26 recoil)
Thunderbolt: 89-105 (with 10% paralysis rate)

CONCLUSION: Pin Missile sucks. Even thoguh it's SE against Psychics, the only time it's better than Body Slam or Double-Edge is against Eggy (or other *4 weaknesses), or with Beedrill's STAB. And Beedrill has Twineedle, which is better.

After three years, it's time to close the book on Pin Missile.

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posted 10-28-2001 10:59 AM      Profile for DarkLickitung   Email DarkLickitung   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you fear Dugtrios, use Hyper Beam.


Use Focus Energy on the switch-in, then Hyper Beam the Dugtrio for a KO.

It's pretty funny how you can trick some people with that.

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posted 10-28-2001 12:44 PM      Profile for Uiru   Author's Homepage   Email Uiru   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A Jolteon's Hyper Beam can OHKO a Dugtrio? XD That's fantastic... ^_^

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posted 10-28-2001 12:58 PM      Profile for MK     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree with Uiru. I wouldn't put Pin Missle on a Jolteon now. I also wouldn't go with Double Kick (a friend of mine did that I think)... It just isn't worth it sadly.
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posted 10-28-2001 01:04 PM      Profile for Darth David   Author's Homepage   Email Darth David   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes! Listen to us, branners and I, people of the world listen!



That is all. *goes to return next time atma posts a reference in the #pokebattle topic*

EDIT: And Atma! Too many numbers...;_; eyes hurt...*didn't actually read it as a result :p*

[ 10-28-2001: Message edited by: Darth David ]

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posted 10-28-2001 03:56 PM      Profile for NickWhiz1   Author's Homepage   Email NickWhiz1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Originally posted by Uiru:
A Jolteon's Hyper Beam can OHKO a Dugtrio? XD That's fantastic... ^_^

Minimum Damage: 242.7614973
Average Damage: 264.0171123
Maximum Damage: 285.2727273

It's not a guaranteed bet, but it's possible.

*reminds self to insert int operators into his Excel damage calc*

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posted 10-28-2001 06:12 PM      Profile for Mewone     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why would you try for a CH Pin Missile against an Alakazam anyway? Thunderbolt would do more I think. Consider this as well: Pin Missile is for Grass/Poison types, as well as Eggy. Since Jolteon isn't the greatest against these types, Pin Missile comes in very handy.
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posted 10-28-2001 09:06 PM      Profile for Pokegod     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, Pin Missle's purpose is for Exeggutors and the occasional grass/poison, not pure psychic types.

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posted 10-28-2001 11:50 PM      Profile for LordLocke   Author's Homepage   Email LordLocke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pin Missile's number-one reason for existance was Exeggutor. In the way-back machine, we can see that one of Jolty's biggest problems was point Exeggutor. Since it was already slower then nearly-anything, the speed loss wasn't that big of a deal (although losing 1/4 of his turns still sucked) and had defensive bonus from the Grass Type AND his fat Special stat.

Enter the Pin Missile, which at 4x damage, can make a serious dent in Exeggutor EVEN considering Jolteon's wussy attack.

The fact that Pin Missle raped Venusaur too was just bonus.

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