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ThumbsOfSteel
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posted 08-04-2001 07:32 AM      Profile for ThumbsOfSteel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Venomoth
toxic
psybeam
sleep powder
psychic

Golem
earthquake
explosion
rock throw
rock slide

Charizard
slash
fire blast
flamethrower
earthquake

Marowak
bone club
bonemerang
headbutt
bodyslam

Victreebel
razor leaf
solarbeam
acid
sleep powder

Articuno
mist
ice beam
blizzard
bubblebeam

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Patouzarre
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posted 08-05-2001 04:10 AM      Profile for Patouzarre   Email Patouzarre   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Venomoth
toxic
psybeam
sleep powder
psychic

Using Venomoth ? funny idea .. even if he has 278 special, he is weak... his type is awful (Bug/poison) because Poison is very weak against lot of things... one earthquake or some psychics would be awful for him... only good thing : because he doesn't fly (wich make weakness for earthquake...) he is not vulnerable to electricity or ice. (and Thunderbolt/BLizzard or Ice Beam is very used...)
For the moveset, the is 2 psychic attacks... you may want to keep one in order to confuse, but it is not useful.. instead of psybeam you can take mega drain.. sleep powder is good, and for toxik, i don't thing Venomoth has enough staying power for it... and opponent can switch and being only poisoned... but what can we put ... maybe a double team to boost venomoth's staying power... but it is not very efficient i think

Golem
earthquake
explosion
rock throw
rock slide

rock throw is no useful because there is rock slide... rock throw is less powerful and less accurate.. forget it and use an other attack.. body slam for example... the others moves are standard
using grolem... why not but lot of people prefer rhydon because he has more HP and more attack, so he will be more efficient

Charizard
slash
fire blast
flamethrower
earthquake

2 fire attacks ? even if fire blast is more powerful and burns more than flamethrower, and is quite accurate (not like thunder...) , you may not keep it.. replace it by Fly for example... or you can take Swords dance to boost Earthquake and/or Fly if you remove slash... you have to see what you want to fight
Using Charizard : not a very good idea because of it's Fly type.. you may FLy and escape to earthquake, but it is weak against electricity , ice and 4 times weak against rock (very used types...) maybe Flareon ?

Marowak
bone club
bonemerang
headbutt
bodyslam

If you have Golem, i don't see the point of using marowak ...
bone club and bonerang ? replace the two by earthquake .... bodyslam is okay, and headbutt ???? Okay there is nothing else to put (unless trying a Blizzard/ Focus energy combo), but it's because Marowak is not to use.. if you really want a ground pokemon take Sandslash

Victreebel
razor leaf
solarbeam
acid
sleep powder

there is so critical hits in RBY with razor leaf than there is no use of solar beam... take Swords Dance instead to boost Acid.. otherwise, that's good

Articuno
mist
ice beam
blizzard
bubblebeam

ice beam and blizzard ? you're afraid of lacking PP ? take Fly on Blizzard or on Ice Beam (on Blizzard to have PP , on ice beam to have power).. bubblebeam may be not very useful... you can try a double team/rest on mist and bubblebeam to have staying power


It seems to me than , obviously, this is not a team made for battles, but a team which came for practising the game... (so there is a lot of times 2 attacks of the same type , and it lackts some TMs).. the pokemons are , for some, not the best and have to be changed....

(maybe i've just said wrong things, but i'm not a top trainer)

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the Master
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posted 08-05-2001 07:38 AM      Profile for the Master   Author's Homepage   Email the Master   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nice rate Patouzarre
Remember that it's not ThumbsOfSteel's team...

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rtflash
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posted 08-07-2001 11:16 PM      Profile for rtflash   Email rtflash   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Its ok I guess!

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CHaRiZaRd
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posted 08-14-2001 01:33 AM      Profile for CHaRiZaRd   Author's Homepage   Email CHaRiZaRd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Patouzarre...

I am going to put money on the proposed idea that you've never used Venomoth in a battle. You look at his type, Bug/Poison, and you think that writes him off immediately.

Venomoth is a great starting Pokemon, to tell you the truth. I had enough balls to actually use him in tournament battle, and it proved successful for the most part. He counters Starmie, Exeggutor, Tangela, and people who use Tauros in the starting position. To top it off, he's the second fastest Pokemon with an accurate sleep move, Jynx being the first.

The following rate is aimed at ThumbsofSteel's 'friend':

Venomoth move set: Psychic, Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Substitute/Leech Life/Supersonic. Supersonic is recommended.

Don't use Toxic. It sucks. All your opponent needs to do is switch out, and toxic reverts to normal poison, which, as most of us know, sucks. It's a gift to your opponent, more or less. By using Toxic, you now have prevented your opponent from becoming paralyzed, frozen, or put to sleep.

Golem: Earthquake, Rock Slide, Substitute, Explosion.

Charizard: Meh... fire. Nyah, don't waste your time. Fire is not strong to much, ice, grass, and bug. The latter is rarely used, and can be taken out by other means, the former, ice, is not a problem for fire to deal with because there are only two ice Pokemon who are weak to fire, Articuno and Jynx. These two Pokemon, however, can easily counter a fire type, and even more so Charizard. The other type fire can beat, grass, can be handled quite easily with the much better type, Ice. Don't use fire types.

Marowak: You already have a good ground type, which is Golem. Don't start screwing up the team with Marowak. You don't need two ground types, firstly, and you don't need a bad ground type. If anything... give him Earthquake, Focus Energy, Substitute, Body Slam.

Victreebel: Sleep Powder, Stun Spore, Growth, Mega Drain.

or... Sleep Powder, Swrords Dance, Body Slam/Hyper Beam, Razor Leaf.

Articuno: Ice Beam, Fly/Double-Edge, Double Team, Rest.

or... Ice Beam, Double-Edge, Substitute, Agility.

One last thing, Patouzarre... stop using the word efficient out of context, you're pissing me off.

[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: CHaRiZaRd ]


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Patouzarre
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posted 08-14-2001 03:35 AM      Profile for Patouzarre   Email Patouzarre   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Excuse me Charizard , but i've said i'm not a good trainer... and i'm french so i make mistakes...

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CHaRiZaRd
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posted 08-14-2001 06:27 PM      Profile for CHaRiZaRd   Author's Homepage   Email CHaRiZaRd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now that you've admitted it, please refrain from giving out ill-based opinions on teams.
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CoA, I think you're a little too hard on fire types.

Yes, Bug, Grass, Arti and Jynx can be taken out by other means. That's irrelevant. Fire can counter all three at once. The only other way I know of is to use a Dodrio. But fires are an even better choice than that IMO.

Look at Ninetales. With it's great speed and ability to use Confuse Ray, it only has a 37.5% chance of falling asleep to a Jynx, Eggy or Veno. Then is has a SE attack to take 'em out. Are they gonna switch? Then just Body Slam for a shot at paralyzation. Then you can paracon and dish out insanely strong, respectably accurate, STABed 120 base Fire Blasts.

Hell, with Fire Blast, Moltres can OHKO Jynx, and probably Tangella and Venomoth too.

Yes, fires types are screwed against a ground (particularly rock/grounds). That's why you keep a Tangella or Eggy to back your Fire. Free Sleep Powder when the ground inevitably switches away.

The reasoning about why Fire types are useless, that other things can do the job just as well, doesn't seem like a very strong case to me. After all, Grass is SE vs water, and Ice is SE vs. Flying. Does that mean that there is no point in using Electric attacks?

I dunno. I've been using Ninetales as a starter lately, and she's done a great job.

Overall, I think the idea of fire uselessness is taken too far. They are really quite useful when used and backed up properly.

Esspecially given the current, 75% sleep starter dominant metagame.


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CHaRiZaRd
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posted 08-15-2001 01:36 PM      Profile for CHaRiZaRd   Author's Homepage   Email CHaRiZaRd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fire types happen to be my favorite type, gruco.

I love using Moltres, Charizard, Ninetales, and even Magmar. *gulp*


I was explaining their lack of usefulness individually, but your argument is very strong, and I'm going to take heed (seriously) to what you said.

I think I'm a little too hard on fire types as well.

If I made Venomoth work, I am going to set a goal now.

... I will make fire types work...

... I think that's already been done. Meh... then most people decided that they stunk...

Meh...

Screw y'all.

Fire powah!

EDIT: I forgot Rapidash. Nyah, Rapidash r0xx0rz.

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The only fire type i've used in chromatics is Moltres, and I must say he kicks ass. The standard starters do nothing to him, and with great Special and attack, he has lots of fun mimicing sleep powders after it bounces harmlessly off a sub.

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CHaRiZaRd
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Moltres can be quite good... except on PBS, where Substitute doesn't block stat changing attacks, and where Mimic doesn't work.

Damn.

I use Fire Blast, Substitute, Mimic, and Double-Edge.


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posted 08-16-2001 12:22 AM      Profile for Zid326   Author's Homepage   Email Zid326   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yay, finally someone that shares the same idea with me. I love fire types also. I've also tried to get them to work but having abit trouble but i am not giving up. My favorite pokemon is no doubt a fire type, Charizard. I have one and i use it for Toxic/spin. Flamethrower/toxic/firespin/slash
It works well for me

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CHaRiZaRd
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posted 08-16-2001 12:06 PM      Profile for CHaRiZaRd   Author's Homepage   Email CHaRiZaRd   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, anything with Toxic is bad in RBY.

If it's a one on one match, fine.

Otherwise, all Toxic-involved move sets are bad.

Swords Dance, Substitute, Hyper Beam, Earthquake is a good move set for him.


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Patouzarre
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Here i agree with Charizard (lol)
In RBY , you can switch easely and if there is not only one pokemon in front of you, toxic will only poison the opponent.. that's not thz biggest problem possible... and if he is poisoned it prevents from paralysis and sleep....

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posted 08-28-2001 09:42 AM      Profile for Pikapeace007   Email Pikapeace007   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Worse. Team. Evar.

Venomoth
-[ sleep powder, stun spore, psychic, mega-drain ]-
> Well, the 2 powders are obvious. MD for disturbing golems, and psychic for trouble makers.

Golem
Substitute for Rock Throw. Pretty obvious why. Sub is better than BS, you'll see, in a real battle, you;d rather use Equake or Rslide.

Charizard
I'd choose FT here. So he should dump FB for Reflect.

Marowak
Another Ground?

Victreebel
Hmmmm.. I say Sword's Dance and Hyper-Beam for Acid and SB.

Articuno
Meh.
-[ ice beam, reflect, sub, double-edge ]-

Well. I suggest a Starmie for Marowak.

Starmie
-[ surf, thunderbolt, thunderwave, recover ]-

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