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Posted by maagisk (Member # 536) on 08-03-2003, 11:54 PM:
Being 18 sucks... So I was driving down a neighborhood to get to my friends house when my car overheats. So I drag ass into the neighborhood pool's parking lot. I see that one of the hoses that connects my water tank to my radiator has a hole in it. So I wrap it up as good as I can. I go to the pool to get some water with an empty milk jug that I keep incase shit like this happens.

It was late so the pool was already closed so I jumped the fence to get some water. I saw that there was quite a bit of damage done to the area but I just blocked it out. I filled my tank once then I went and got some more. I bend over when I hear "get the fuck out of the water". I look to see a police officer with a badge. He makes me give him my licence. So I jump back over the fence and he handcuffs me. I was like wtf. Apperantly some people called the police 20 minutes ago because they saw some people beating the shit out of everthing there. He searches my car to find a sledge hammer.

He sais that I'm under arrest for 2nd degree trespassing and vandalism. So he takes my ass to jail. I call my parents who then come to bail me out. So now I have to go to court. There is so enough evidence against me to give me some serious jail time. But my parents are hiring some really good lawyers that they know. But this is really serious. I go to court on October 11th. I could possible go to jail for a serious amount of time.
Posted by ceoalex316 (Member # 338) on 08-04-2003, 12:07 AM:

Not funny for you though.

Although you do have an ok aliby. Good luck!
Posted by Dweedle (Member # 1209) on 08-04-2003, 12:43 AM:
why did you have a sledge hammer in your car
Posted by 137 (Member # 1465) on 08-04-2003, 12:44 AM:
That is funny, but does suck for you. Frustrating, right?
I could represent you in this case, though. How much you paying that other guy?
EDIT: You are guilty of trespassing, though. Did they state that charge?

[ 08-04-2003, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: 137 ]
Posted by maagisk (Member # 536) on 08-04-2003, 12:56 AM:
Right now, they not only have me charged to trespassing, but they have enough evidence to charge me with vandalism too. But yeah, regardless of whether I can get away with that, I'll still be in trouble for trespassing. But this is really going to screw me over for college and further jobs, this really sucks. And the sledge hammer was there because I lended it to some people I knew a while ago and I never bothered to take it out.
Posted by pkthunder (Member # 67) on 08-04-2003, 01:33 AM:
October 11 is a good day. I think it will turn out alright.
Posted by Charmeleon42 (Member # 1066) on 08-04-2003, 02:05 AM:
I think you'll be able to get the Vandalism charge out of the way with some effort. It's not like YOUR car was there when the guys were, so the person who reported it should be like.... that car wasn't there at the time. Or there are other means of clearing you...

Tresspassing, well.... It's not a felony. Explain what happened to employers if the case arises and they should understand.
Posted by 137 (Member # 1465) on 08-04-2003, 03:45 AM:
If you act fast, you might be able to submit the busted hose as evidence for your case, and maybe even the hammer (check for paint, though that's far-fetched). Then you have a reason supporting your story, which is better than just a story. Let's hope the cop doesn't deny that you had a water jug. I know when I go vandalizin' I don't carry a water jug on my getaway.
Posted by GenyaA310 (Member # 3409) on 08-04-2003, 04:24 AM:
That really sucks, get a good lawyer.
Posted by veloS (Member # 2636) on 08-04-2003, 06:06 AM:
Originally posted by Dweedle:
why did you have a sledge hammer in your car

Me wants to know too.
Posted by Boodabonzi (Member # 2958) on 08-04-2003, 07:14 AM:
Posted by maagisk (Member # 536) on 08-04-2003, 01:12 PM:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:

Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have bought that goddamn foreign Pontiac Sunfire.

Anyway, we have a kickass lawyer that my parents know. I'm not sure what it's going to cost but my parents will do anything to keep me out of jail for a possible 10 years, no joke. There was about $9,000 worth of damage to the buildings and surrounding areas.

And like I said, I lended the sledge hammer to some people a while ago and I never bothered to take it out when they returned it.
Posted by cfalcon (Member # 19) on 08-04-2003, 03:20 PM:
Ok, I don't know the laws of whatever socialist prison state you live in somewhere north of all that is sane and good, but presumably you have something resembling the justice system that is common among Western nations (THIS JUST IN: "WESTERN" NOW SYNONYM FOR "WHITE"), you'll get off, scott free, no problems.

You see, you are innocent. You are smart, and you have no motivation whatsoever- additionally, you were alone. All of these are a big deal.

They have to paint a situation like this:

1- You beat the place up. Your car wouldn't start. Shit! You didn't try to hide the sledgehammer because you are dumb. Your motivation: stupid kid.

2- You were with friends and you beat the place up. Your car wouldn't start. Shit! Your friends ran off. They didn't take the hammer because they are dumb and hate you. Your motivation: stupid kid.

Countering this, you are smart, not stupid. Your friends are not fucking hoodlums. You have a decent alibi about getting from point A to point B, you had a real reason to get water. The people who called the cops should check you out- you weren't whomever they saw. Additionally, you didn't try to run when you saw the cop. You would never do anything like that, have never done anything like that!

Also, hey, check the sledgehammer. Notice how none of the paint that was smeared off of the whatever the hell they beat up is on the sledgehammer? That could only happen if the sledgehammer wasn't used to beat shit up. Look at how shit got beat up- could *this particular* sledgehammer have done *that*?

Notice also that the car problem you were having could only have happened if and only if you had just been driving it- and you would have know about it. So know their situation is:

You were having car problems. You needed to stop by a pool (your car bears all this out, get an expert witness of a mechanic or priest of Odin or whatever you do). You went to get water and - hey, wait a minute! This place hasn't had the shit beaten out of it! Well, let's get to that! So you get the Sledghammer you bought for purposes of beating shit up, and you promptly knock the living hell out of everything! Roxxor! Ok, now about that water. Now you are planning on calmly repairing your car, then going home and doing things that an honors student like yourself does, perhaps raping nuns. Oh no! A cop to stop your villanous schemes! How fortunate that society is saved from the evil maagisk!

See, now their situation is even less plausible than before.

So, I think you're ok.

Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't have bought that goddamn foreign Pontiac Sunfire.

He was kidding. American cars are famous for breaking down like crazy. That's changing recently, but for anything from a few year back, yea, they break good.
Posted by dAyWaLkEr (Member # 3343) on 08-04-2003, 04:02 PM:
cfalcon should be on some cop drama like Law & Order or CSI. you just gotta cut down on the blabbering (eyes glazed when i saw your paragraph), but that shit is rock solid defense.

toyota cars rock. there was this one commercial where there was this hot chick and these guys were gonna pull over and help, but the one guy keeps driving. and when the other guy asks why he didn't stop, he says "it's a trap. toyota's never break down"

so in conclusion: toyota = no jailtime = no assrape
Posted by Zem (Member # 3467) on 08-04-2003, 04:15 PM:
This is so very awful... I hope our legal system holds up. Sadly, I can't get that whole execution statistic out of my head. You know... where like 5% of the people executed over the last 100 years or so were later found to be innocent.

I think as long as you don't look or speak like a hoodlum, they won't assume you are one. And the greatest defense is truly being innocent. But, well... don't roll a 1. [Frown]
Posted by cfalcon (Member # 19) on 08-04-2003, 04:46 PM:
but that shit is rock solid defense

Thank you. I don't know if I would call it *that* good, but I do think there's more in favor of his innocence than his guilt.

Zem, he's Norwegian, which means his legal system is similar to ours, but not the same- that's why I made the Odin crack.

Ok, so here's my best cop story. This occurs a few years ago:

I'm over at a friend's house. So are a ton of people, some friends, some aquantances, a few people I haven't met before.

Much weed is being smoked. Much underage drinking is occuring. I'm neither smoking nor drinking, because I do neither. My friend, who we'll call "Cabbage" because that's his nickname, is also doing neither. But everyone else is. So we're sitting around, watching comedians on his parent's huge TV and such (his parent were out of town), and sometimes hanging around outside. Music is playing in the back, but it's not too loud, being that we don't want to piss the neighbors off too bad.

So we're outside talking, hanging out, and weed is being partooken of. Cop drives by. Reeeeaaal sloooowwww.... Now remember, we aren't pissing anyone off. We aren't doing anything that could be construed as harmful to anyone else. The cop passes, marijuana comes back out, all continues as before.

Cop drives by. Brings that searchlight thing out.


My friend says "We should probably go inside". We do, but a couple of us keep watch- cops poking around, looking for an excuse to come hassle us.

So I look around for someone else who is totally clean and sober, and say "Hey Cab, come on, we're going for a walk."

So off we go.

This is our neighborhood: both of us live within four blocks, so we're safe, right?

We walk down the block, to the main street. We are walking around a corner to get back on a smaller road that will leave back to Pete's house, and we haven't seen any sign of the cops.

Suddenly, cop cars come screaming from three directions! Lights, cops with guns, the whole works! No less than three cop car surround us, pinning us with no where to run!

Of course, we ain't done shit wrong, so we have no intention of running. They have lights on us, one gets out, asks us what we are doing.


"Do you always walk at 2 AM?"

"Yes sir."

"You always walk at 2 AM."

"Yea, we're down from college. We always walk late at night there."

He didn't like that.

He got our IDs, ran them, then got an idea in that porcine brain of his.

"Where do you live?"

We both point about 90 degrees away from each other, and give reasonably accurate distances in yards.

The cops sat around looking fierce, but being that we weren't high, didn't act drunk, and were clearly not up to anything, they unfortunately had to concede that they probably couldn't fuck with us.

When you see hesitation, that's when you strike.

"Why did you pull us over?"

"A car was stolen."

"So why pull us over? I mean, you have a whole strike force there. Did two people walking look dangerous?"

"The car was stolen by two males."

"So wouldn't two males who stole a car be in a car?"

Anyway, I didn't press much more than that, and the cops didn't go by my friend's place anymore.

Seriously I could fill a thread with cop stories. They hate me, and they always want to catch me doing something wrong. Man are they annoying. I've been pulled over for walking at 2 PM (broad daylight) on my own block.

I didn't even have a shaved head back then!
Posted by Zem (Member # 3467) on 08-04-2003, 05:19 PM:
Zem, he's Norwegian, which means his legal system is similar to ours, but not the same- that's why I made the Odin crack.

Ah, I missed both of those things. I should have caught the Norwegian thing... but Odin was way, way down in your post to where I was skimming.

But, now that you've mentioned it... err...

Ok, I'm sorry, but a sledge hammer in Norway is funny as hell. MJOLNIR!!!!

Funny, too, how encounters with law enforcement, being 18, and having hoodlums around is the same sort of story across much of the world.

I'm so used to seeing "In my pants" or other such nonsense things that I don't look at the "location" line anymore...
Posted by cfalcon (Member # 19) on 08-04-2003, 05:22 PM:
Yea, that would be my excuse.

"I was possessed by Thor. As a mortal vessel of his rage, I had no control of the damage he has wrought."

That would be great in court.
Posted by Ikuse (Member # 3037) on 08-04-2003, 07:12 PM:
In my pants is nonsense now is it? How much do you want to wager that I am in my pants right this instant? Huh!?
Posted by MK (Member # 1445) on 08-04-2003, 08:21 PM:
Remember this much, if anyone ever questions you, you have the right to not say anything, say "I want my lawyer present."

Don't be a smartass about it, but it's totally within your right to not say anything. ANYTHING you say can be used against you, even though you might not see how it will be, it can be. Don't volenteur any information...
Posted by MK (Member # 1445) on 08-04-2003, 08:26 PM:
Oh, and I know that this really looks bad, but if you just tell the truth and have your car and stuff, you should be able to prove that you didn't do it.

Besides, use the testimony that "you're smart" and that you've never done anything like this before, etc...

You have a good reason for being there as bad as it looks. Prove it wasn't your sledgehammer, fingerprints, etc...

Also prove your car really was in bad shape, that's why you stopped there, etc...

Get testimony from friend's and family who know that you carry a milk juig (jug) and that your car sucks, etc...

If you can make your story check out you should be able to get out of this. It's not fair to do the time for something you didn't do...

Still, discuss it with your lawyer before you do any plan of action. You might try the "I'm a smart kid and wouldn't stick around a crime scene for long if I DID commit a crime, I'm not THAT dumb"

With your car as evidence, plus lack of damage with the sledgehammer. I mean, think about it, if you were a vandal and had a sledgehammer, you would OH SO use it. Prove you didn't use it.
Posted by Blue Seed (Member # 3471) on 08-04-2003, 08:30 PM:
I was once stopped by a cop at around ten p.m. for wearing sunglasses. Of course, I had recently robbed a bank and shot two security guards, so meh.
Posted by MK (Member # 1445) on 08-04-2003, 08:32 PM:
Sorry for this whole mess, I can relate, it totally totally sucks when you have to clear your own good name, I've had to do that before, it's not fun...

Anyway, with a good lawyer you can win. Remember, if there's "reasonable doubt" you didn't do it, the jury has to say "not guilty."

So, make LOTS of doubt. Get friends to speak on your behalf, prove your car's bad, etc...

With the right laywerness you might be able to prove you weren't even there when the damage to the place happened. Keep us updated...
Posted by cfalcon (Member # 19) on 08-04-2003, 09:18 PM:
Well, we assume that's the case. I mean, what do you know about the law in Norway?

For all I know, they light you on fire and if you can extinguish yourself before your hair is entirely gone you're innocent.

Seriously, their legal system is *probably* like ours, but every place is different.
Posted by maagisk (Member # 536) on 08-04-2003, 09:30 PM:
I live in North Carolina. I'm origionally from Norway, I moved here when I was about 13. Well, I'm not sure what the hammer looked like right now. I car and everything in it is under government property.

Anyways, I ended my last school year with a 3.75 so I'm an okay student, plus I have 3 of my teachers to help me in court, plus I have people asking people around the area if they saw anything.

Here's what I got... I have my car's leaking radiator hose, I got my some of my teachers, and I have a sledge hammer which I don't know what they're going to do with.

Here is what I have against me. I was the only one there, I had a sledge hammer in my possetion, I have earings (I took those out already), and I'm already in trouble for second degree trespassing.

I'm working on finding more people to represent me though. But I'm going to go to school, and continue life, I'll go to court on Oct 11th, and I'll see what happens after that, things are starting to look a little more up now.
Posted by cfalcon (Member # 19) on 08-04-2003, 09:39 PM:
I live in North Carolina

Ok, goddamn you.

But if you live in the South, you have a really good shot of getting out with the "I'm white, I couldn't do anything wrong defense"- while I say that tongue in cheek, it's definitely a contributor.

North Carolina.


Look, here's the big deal- NO ONE SAW YOU. There is no evidence that you did it. Sure, sure, it looks bad, but there needs to be some evidence to actually get you in trouble.

I think you'll squeek by, no problem.

Fucking North Carolina.
Posted by Cloud9x (Member # 2805) on 08-05-2003, 01:08 AM:
so how many of you guys are going to watch "The OC" on fox?
quality programming.
Posted by Dark_Herakurosu (Member # 1677) on 08-05-2003, 12:41 PM:
Posted by Pornbot (Member # 1321) on 08-05-2003, 02:31 PM:
Posted by dAyWaLkEr (Member # 3343) on 08-05-2003, 02:35 PM:
the ol "poke and a smile"
Posted by Face (Member # 1916) on 08-05-2003, 05:19 PM:
Way to fuck up your life.
Posted by Zerot (Member # 1295) on 08-06-2003, 10:28 AM:

I thought Vikings just killed shit, not messed with this "law" bs.
Posted by The Muffin King (Member # 2240) on 08-06-2003, 11:02 AM:
maagisk is a fucking idiot, so I don't give a damn if he gets sent to prision and his asshole doubles in size.
Posted by Dweedle (Member # 1209) on 08-06-2003, 11:22 AM:
calm down there, Skipper
Posted by Wintermute (Member # 5) on 08-06-2003, 12:07 PM:
They have to paint a situation like this:

1- You beat the place up. Your car wouldn't start.

So he naturally assumes the problem is that while sitting there inert it has overheated, and goes to get water.

What's the purpose of the Oct. 11 court date? A motion to have it thrown out? I'm surprised it's going that far. There's that whole "reasonable doubt" business...
Posted by 10,000Lb.Snorlax (Member # 13) on 04-29-2008, 11:42 AM:
So does this mean that he got arrested and is still in prison getting sexd for waering earrings?
Posted by Mewone (Member # 1694) on 04-30-2008, 10:16 PM:
I too am curious as to whether or not soap was dropped.
Posted by ieR2 (Member # 3934) on 05-02-2008, 07:32 PM:
I am thirdly curious.

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