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Posted by Lark84 (Member # 1186) on 12-19-2001, 09:13 AM:
 
Either the people of this board must have missed the movie, or I have missed the thread about it.

Anyway... (possible spoilers ahead)

I went to the premier this morning (it premiered (sp?) at 00.01 here in Sweden), and all I can say is:

Good.

It's a good movie, I only looked at my watch once, and that was after I had hesitated for about 20 minutes because I didn't want to take my eyes off the screen. However, if the hype had not been so incredibly big, I would have gone completely nuts. I had already seen most of the coolest scenes on TV (although I tried to resist), and that's not very fun. I haven't read the book, but since I found the movie a bit un-satisfying, I'll read the book when I get the time.

The effects: Wonderful. Really. This is the first movie where I had a hard time separating CG from the real thing, though I knew most of it *was* CG. Even the cave troll was well done. There's no Jar-Jar-binks crap in this movie, that's for sure.

So, in conclusion: A good movie, but neither better nor worse than the hype. Perhaps I would have felt different if I had read the book first. And oh, I had no problem with following the storyline at all. That's a plus, sometimes movies based on books require that you have read the book before if you ant to get it all.
 


Posted by Manuel Calavera (Member # 1202) on 12-19-2001, 12:43 PM:
 
I'm off to see this tomorrow, so this has only fueled my desire to see it.
 
Posted by PsyDork (Member # 717) on 12-19-2001, 12:47 PM:
 
I'll be seeing it today. And for a 3 hour movie, it better be pretty fucking great or I'm gonna kill someone.
 
Posted by Rei the Giant Koffing (Member # 1909) on 12-19-2001, 02:36 PM:
 
I'm seeing it Friday, for my b-day.
 
Posted by Fenix (Member # 2371) on 12-19-2001, 02:49 PM:
 
Our computer science class might be taking a field trip to go see it in theatres.
 
Posted by MaddViking (Member # 2342) on 12-19-2001, 03:34 PM:
 
Yah, I saw it as well during the midnight premiere here in Michigan. Having read most of the book I can say that the movie stayed quite true to the book in most aspects. I say "most of the book" because I didn't finish cause we weren't able to get premiere tickets until only 6 hours before the movie, so I was planning on a much more lenient reading schedule.

Nevertheless, I was quite happy to see that a vast majority of the dialouge in the movie was taken verbatim out of the book, one of the most controversial things ever if you know the history of "editing" of LotR. Sure, there were some things that were cut out for time constraints, and I must say that while I miss some of the parts, the more important ones were kept in the movie. I mean damn, we sat down at midnight, and after the movie and previews were over it was 3:15am, so props to the editors and producers for allowing that much content from the book to stay in.

Acting: Not great, but it gets the job done. There are moments where certain actors shine for a bit, but nobody delivers an outstanding performance. Luckily, they kept the screen time of the oh-so-beautiful, but oh-so-terrible-acting Liv Tyler down to a minimum.

Sets and costumes are incredible in this movie. All too often, fantasy sets and costumes only go half-way and give you a general idea for the attire. In this movie no expense was spared in making every thread look convincingly weathered or grand, and makeup was excellent as well. There's one shot where one of the elven women bends down to kiss someone on the forehead and the sunlight behind shines through her pointy ears, giving exactly that pinkish quality you would expect, and no, you can't tell where the prosthetic and her ear begins. Don't even get me started on the frightening depictions of Orcs and Goblins and all manner of evil creatures.


Another stand-out, as Lark already pointed out was the settings, they're the best that I've ever seen. I can't stress enough that everything about this movie was the way that fantasy SHOULD be done. The only gripe I had was some of the CGI backgrounds weren't as seamless as I had hoped, but all were quite passable, and above anything else I've seen (with maybe the exception of FFMovie).


Fans of fantasy, and even the all but the hardest of hardcore will be very very pleased with the movie. Everything was on such a grand scale that I couldn't help but think many times during the movie. "This is our Star Wars."
 


Posted by Mewtwo Master (Member # 2257) on 12-19-2001, 06:08 PM:
 
I'm planning to see it for my birthday today, but I've also got a Christmas party to go to. Damn party!
 
Posted by JolteonStorm (Member # 1774) on 12-19-2001, 09:36 PM:
 
Heh, I'll see it tomorrow, but...

For those impressed with this movie, or slightly UN-impressed, wait for the next two movies, it only gets better. Heh, it'd be hard to do these books as separater movies, if not for the plain fact The Two Towers happens immediately (well, one hour after, for literal people) after The Fellowship of the Rings, which is why it feels incomplete.

I have a few questions for those who've seen the movie:

  • How was the Balrog?
  • Was Lothlorien as cool as it should be?
  • Was Galadriel as cool as she should be?
  • In THIS movie, do they show Sauron? I remember reading online about how they WILL show Sauron, not just an eye...but I doubt it's in this one.

    I can't wait.
     


    Posted by DrFuko (Member # 2176) on 12-19-2001, 09:38 PM:
     
    Mexico sucks ass. They are probably gonna dub this thing like they fucking did to harry potter and shrek. Fuck you Mexican theaters, FUCK YOU!!!! YOU GO TO FUCKING HELL AND DIE, MEXICAN THEATER SYSTEM!!! YOU GO TO FUCKING HELL AND DIE!!!! AAAAAAAAHHHHHH


    ::Goes on a shooting rampage.... sets fire to the movie theatre closeby::
     


    Posted by Charmeleon42 (Member # 1066) on 12-20-2001, 01:17 AM:
     
    Saw it after school today with 2 friends and 3 other people I didn't know... Twas great ownage for great justice... waited in the seats for about half an hour before it started, as the place packed itself up... big theatres, mind you, this is a 20 screen movie place... and ya.

    When I got out... it was one of those "Oh yeah, that was only fiction " things, that make you all disoriented when you come back to real life... Those rule...

    I can't stress enough that everything about this movie was the way that fantasy SHOULD be done.

    Uh-Greed.

    In THIS movie, do they show Sauron? I remember reading online about how they WILL show Sauron, not just an eye...but I doubt it's in this one.

    In the beginning... in the ass-kickage battle scene...

    [ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: Charmeleon42 ]
     


    Posted by New Guy (Member # 692) on 12-20-2001, 01:49 AM:
     
    Complete and utter ass kicking, and no mistake. There were a few changes made, as was expected, but none so great as to change the feel of it, if you get my meaning. The two formost changes that worried me were(possibel spoilers)
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    a: no Tom Bomabadil (Tom Bombadilo), and b: Arwen being were she was not. Nither one dampened the movie much for me, but Bombadil was still missed. One unexpected pleasure was picking out quotes and scenes that were taken directly from the book.

    Of course, it was not entirely MY vision of Middle-Earth. but that's not what I expected. If I want my Middle-Earth, I read the books. What I expected, and got, was the first part of an epic story told in grand style.

    BTW, Sauron is shown. And Lothlorien and Galadriel are not as grand and focused on as I thought they should be.

    [ 12-20-2001: Message edited by: New Guy ]
     


    Posted by Lark84 (Member # 1186) on 12-20-2001, 08:51 AM:
     
    How was the Balrog?

    It was awesome, really awesome. They started with just letting you *hear* the Balrog, the floor in the entire cinema trembled (literally) as the party was chased. Then, it broke through a massive stone wall, a black creature with horns (I think...) swept in fire, and a gigantic fire whip...

    And you do get to see Sauron, in the beginning. Then, it's just an eye.

    Unfortunately, I don't remember much places and names from the movie (Lothlorien, for example...) so I can't answer you other questions. I need to see this movie again, and spend another three hours of quality time.
     


    Posted by Yavarice (Member # 420) on 12-20-2001, 04:53 PM:
     
    Excellent movie. The landscapes and settings are beautiful. From the mines of Moria to Rivendell.

    The Balrog kinda looked like Diablo. And is Elrond played by the Agent from The Matrix?
     


    Posted by Manuel Calavera (Member # 1202) on 12-20-2001, 04:57 PM:
     
    My... God...

    WHAT A MOVIE.

    It's even better than Star Wars, ferchriss'ssakess. Sauron is a mighty foe, you'd half expect the Balrog to jump out of the screen, and the fight scenes... wow.
     


    Posted by MaddViking (Member # 2342) on 12-20-2001, 11:19 PM:
     
    quote:
    Originally posted by Yavarice:
    And is Elrond played by the Agent from The Matrix?

    Yes, Hugo Weaving is his name.
     
    Posted by Tghost (Member # 1418) on 12-21-2001, 04:10 AM:
     
    Why in the hell is it, that only New Zealanders are all like "Oh my fucking god, that's Milford Sound!" whereas everyone else is "Oh my fucking god, what a great set!"

    And before anybody complains about swearing...this is Azure. Get over it.

    Anwyay, Lord of the Rings was shot in New Zealand, the only country in the world to provide that range of landscapes within a day's transport of each other.
     


    Posted by gruco (Member # 1645) on 12-21-2001, 02:53 PM:
     
    I really enjoyed it. I kinda thought it was too short, which is odd considering that it was a 3 hour movie. It almost would have made sense to made two movies per book, considering that's it's already broken up that way to begin with, but only the really dorky hard-core fans would be able to tolerate that.

    The points about Bombadil and Arwen have already been made, and I think they're important ones. I can understand Bombadil, mostly. He's a weirdo, and the movie obviously needed to cut things. Arwen was just a fucked up and stupid move though. Yeah, let's butcher one of the greatest stories of all time because we want more love scenes. Whatever.

    The landscapes and scenery were absolutely perfect. Every bit was just how I imagined it, or better. The background music was very fitting as well.

    The Mines of Moria scene was perfect, whole way though. The sense of tension was just as good as in the book, and Gandalf's fight with the Balrog couldn't have been any more spot-on.

    The scene with Caradhras was too short. I always thought of it as a more significant part, but whatever, I guess they needed to speed things up.

    Pippin and Merry were a *bit* too much comic relief for my taste. Hopefully they'll develop the characters more in the next movie in the Entwoods.

    Aragorn and Boromir looked fucking identical. That pissed me off.

    Best part of the movie was the ending(the "Breaking of the Fellowship" chapter). Boromir's betrayal and redemption, and Sam's persuit of Frodo were two of the best and most touching scenes I've ever seen in any movie.

    Overall, it was good. Very good. More true to the original than you normally see for this type of thing. Really brought the book to life in a lot of places. It felt rushed, and there were some bone-headed moves, but I still can't wait for the next two.
     


    Posted by Land und Leute (Member # 1040) on 12-21-2001, 11:24 PM:
     
    I just got back from seeing it... and I thought it was excellent. Of course, I have not read the book, and after watching the movie, I think I'll go out and purchase the trilogy before the next two movies come out.

    As already mentioned, the scenery/landscape stuff was absolutely incredible. You can't even tell when CGs are used. You really have to see it to know what everyone is talking about. It is just simply incredible.

    I'm probably gonna see it again, because I want to get familiar with the names, and because I still don't understand some of the parts - like how Frodo ended up that elf kingdom (Riverdale was it?) or how Gandarf (sp?) escaped from that other evil magician guy.

    quote:
    Originally posted by gruco:
    Aragorn and Boromir looked fucking identical. That pissed me off.

    Yeah... that was annoying. They both looked like Jesus.
     


    Posted by Lark84 (Member # 1186) on 12-22-2001, 05:59 AM:
     
    I also thought they (Boromir & Aragorn) looked way too much alike, but what happened to Strider? Where did he go?

    I don't think Merry & Pippin were too much of a comic relief.

    I'm very happy, however, that they didn't turn the movie into a sitcom in every humurous situation. Like, when they were trapped in Moria and one of the Hobbits accidentally pushed an old skeleton down a well, and everything went quiet, I expected to hear an "Uh-oh..." but I didn't. Very nice.
     


    Posted by JolteonStorm (Member # 1774) on 12-22-2001, 02:27 PM:
     
    Frodo passes out in the Ford after Gandalf (in the book, anyway) had caused the river to wash the Ringwraiths away. And Gandalf was rescued by Gwaihir the Windlord. I guess they made you think Gandalf told the butterfly to get Gwaihir..

    Anyway, Pippin was perfect, but Merry should have been more serious...

    Does anyone else think Sauron looks like Lord Zed from the Power Rangers?
     


    Posted by New Guy (Member # 692) on 12-22-2001, 06:14 PM:
     
    Lark84: ...but what happened to Strider? Where did he go?

    Strider and Aragorn are the same person.

    One thing that troubled me was that some of the names were not said often or clearly enough, as demonstrated by an earlier post. And some things were not explained as well as they should have been.

    Technically, it was Elrond (the main guy at Rivendell) that started the flood. The white horses were just ad-on by Gandalf. No offense, I just had to point that out.

    If you really liked the movie, try reading the books. They are not for everybody, but you might like them.
     


    Posted by JolteonStorm (Member # 1774) on 12-22-2001, 07:58 PM:
     
    More picky stuff:

  • They never address the reforging of Narsil/Anduril.
  • The end, where Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas find Boromir mortally wounder after the Orcs shot him, and when they decide to run to look for Merry and Pippin is in the first chapter of The Two Towers.
  • A VERY picky note, isn't the Balrog supposed to lose it's flame when Gandalf tells him he can't pass and about the Secret Fire?
  • They skipped the Barrow Wights, the Old Forest, AND the Shire Elves. Did anyone else wanna see the look on Sam's face when he saw elves for the first time? Gildor woulda rocked. :(
  • Glorfindel missing, and in his place, Arwen. I'd rather have Glorfindel, for the story to make more sense.
  • The Council was WAY too short. There, Gandalf was supposed to explain how he got out, tho the movie had already done it. Gloin was supposed to tell about how Moria was troubled, and Balin had never returned.
  • They never explained Bill Ferny, or Sam's pony, Bill. It was if he had just...gotten him out of nowhere.
  • Lorien was too short.
  • They should've met a Nazgul on their way to the falls. Legolas was supposed to kill the thing it rides on.

    I'm picky. :)

    [Edit]: Yeah, I realize most of these are because of time constraints, but to have done it RIGHT, 6 movies would have been needed, but that's unheard of, and would take too long, so meh.

    [ 12-22-2001: Message edited by: JolteonStorm ]
     


    Posted by Zerot (Member # 1295) on 12-22-2001, 09:05 PM:
     
    Best. Movie. Evar.
     
    Posted by Rei the Giant Koffing (Member # 1909) on 12-22-2001, 09:26 PM:
     
    I went to see it, but it was sold out.

    I watch some movie called "Joe somebody."
    bleh
     


    Posted by Automaton (Member # 1234) on 12-24-2001, 10:34 PM:
     
    Excellent movie. Most nitpicking is mainly by people that compare the movie directly to the book. But, those of you that read the Jurassic Park II book should feel thankful that the movie was as close to the book as it was. Still, my favorite movie of all time.

    And if they want to put Liv Tyler in the limelight more often, who am I to complain? The fact of the matter is, it still took Industrial Light and Magic 60 years to replicate Tolkein's imagination, so I'd say they did a great job balancing the book with the necessity to make it a "special effects extravaganza". The firstborn of the Uruk-Hai was so fucking cool. I want to be that for halloween.
     


    Posted by pkthunder (Member # 67) on 12-25-2001, 10:44 AM:
     
    That movie only worsened my Elf-fucking fettish.

    Even if he looks a little fruity, Legolas (Lay-me-lots) is still a bad ass.
     


    Posted by Givera (Member # 234) on 12-25-2001, 02:22 PM:
     
    I saw it Sunday and really enjoyed it, but it felt like something was missing though it was probably because of reading great reviews about it and getting my expectations up a little too much.

    I haven't gotten far enough in the book to be as picky about the movie, but scenes I did notice they left out are the shire elves and talking to the farmer guy.

    Also, the book tells the story in a more 3rd person limited view (centered mostly around Frodo) but the movie was more 3rd person omniscient. It cut to scenes showing what happened to Gandalf and Saruman's tower, etc. It makes more sense for a movie to do it that way though since flashbacks are more confusing in movies unless done correctly.

    What was that super orc thing that killed... umm... oh-look-it's-strider-wait-no-it's-just-that-guy-they-casted-that-looks-so-fucking-identical? Is it just a regular orc or is there something special? He mentioned elves become orcs so I thought it might be one of the three elves (since the nine men became ringwraiths I thought it might make sense).

    Oh, I wish they hadn't chosen two guys that look so similar. I kept getting the two confused.

    Is that how you're s'posed to pronounce Mythril (or Mithril... I can't remember how to spell it). I always thought the first vowel was like in "mint," not "me."

    Sam held his breath for a long time when he fell in the water.
     


    Posted by New Guy (Member # 692) on 12-25-2001, 06:37 PM:
     
    The orc thing that killed Borimer (and I think he and Aragorn look similar, but not identical) was just a well trained and exceptionally powerful orc. Lurtz, I believe he is called.

    Saruman has crossbred men with orcs. That's what he means when he says orcs are "now perfected".
     


    Posted by Frogjedi (Member # 772) on 12-26-2001, 01:56 PM:
     
    I'd hate to be the guinney pigs in that experiment.
     
    Posted by Axe (Member # 2167) on 12-26-2001, 02:14 PM:
     
    It is such a brilliant film. I just feel sorry for the poor idiots who kept on comparing the film to the book. They miss the point that one is a book and the other a movie and they can't be exactly the same. As films go it has been a highlight for the year and has kept very true to the story. I plead with all others who have read the book and are planning to watch the film, please do not expect the film to contain everything the book does, or you will lose out on an experience which no other film has provided this year.
    P.S. As a Brit, that film was no way a PG.
     
    Posted by MewtwoSama (Member # 12) on 03-28-2002, 08:28 PM:
     
    Holy shit.

    I just saw this movie.

    Becuase I never read the book, I kept expecting too many Hollywood cliches, which sort of made me watch with negative eyes.

    Then I realized a few things:

    Elijah's Wood: hehe huhhuh
    Sam is a Goonie.
    That elf guy looks like Link.
    I kept thinking of old Final Fantasy games, mainly after the Mythril reference.
    ("Mythril is weak compared to Cecil's Crystal Armor" would run thru my mind)

    Most likely, this is the next DVD I buy.
     
    Posted by Rei the Giant Koffing (Member # 1909) on 03-28-2002, 10:37 PM:
     
    I finished reading The Hobbit and have just begun reading Fellowship of the Ring.

    It's quite a bit different from the movie, I'll give you that. [Eek!]

    Btw, the next movie comes out in December.
     
    Posted by Mick_Hale (Member # 419) on 04-01-2002, 12:10 AM:
     
    Fucking awesome movie. I'm glad I read the book before I saw the movie.

    I, for one, am incredibly glad they left out the part of Tom Bombadil. That was easily the most boring part of the book.

    Arwen doesn't belong in the movie, regardless of what anyone says. It's another bastardized attempt to fit in a love story where it doesn't belong. On that note, Liv Tyler is even hotter as an elf. But I'd still rather do Galadriel, despite when she goes all nutz over the Ring.

    Gandalf may be gay, but his acting was still top notch.

    I cheered when Boromir was turned into an Orc arrow pincushion. He was such an asshole in the book and the movie.

    The Mines of Moria was the best 45 (estimated) minutes of my movie-going life.
     
    Posted by AznExplosN (Member # 45) on 10-14-2002, 04:15 AM:
     
    w00t. I'm excited about the next one. We just got our free Lord of the Rings DVD from Kia.

    Aragorn and Boromir do not look alike to me. You guys are whack.

    "Let's go hunt some orc."

    Badass.
     
    Posted by Mick_Hale (Member # 419) on 10-14-2002, 10:30 AM:
     
    quote:
    Originally posted by pkthunder:
    That movie only worsened my Elf-fucking fettish.

    Agreed. Though it's fetish.
     
    Posted by veloS (Member # 2636) on 10-15-2002, 04:37 AM:
     
    I wanna be like Aragorn! [Frown] [Frown] [Frown]
     
    Posted by Ikuse (Member # 3037) on 10-15-2002, 08:53 PM:
     
    Arwen doesn't belong in the movie, regardless of what anyone says. It's another bastardized attempt to fit in a love story where it doesn't belong.

    You're getting 'em confused.

    The lover chick is Eowyn. Er, wait, that was in the second book. Nevermind. ANYways, arwen was in love with boromir and eowyn was in love with aragorn, correct? It's all so confusing. I'll have tor ead the books again. -_-;
     
    Posted by Anthrax (Member # 335) on 10-15-2002, 09:20 PM:
     
    Arwen and Aragorn are in love with each other. I think the reason they're putting Arwen in The Two Towers is so that not everyone thinks Aragorn should've hooked up with Eowyn. In the books, the Arwen/Aragorn thing comes out of fucking nowhere at the end of Return of the King, so I can see why they'd want to avoid that.
     
    Posted by Boodabonzi (Member # 2958) on 12-17-2003, 11:30 AM:
     
    yeah
     
    Posted by Ikuse (Member # 3037) on 12-19-2003, 04:13 AM:
     
    holy shit this thread was old
    and i had discovered the error of my ways long before I'd forgotten I'd made that post, too. :
     


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