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Posted by MasamuneXGP (Member # 3412) on 08-29-2003, 08:48 PM:
This HAS to have been answered somewhere by now, but I can't seem to find it. What are the specifications for Shinies? Is it an IV combination or is it a completely seperate variable now? If it's an IV combo, someone want to enlighten me on the right values?
Posted by TeLeFonE (Member # 2293) on 08-29-2003, 09:53 PM:
It's seperate from all that, I believe. I think it works off of the gender value, which I do know is now different from IVs/DVs.

Offhand, I don't know how it works specifically, and PokeFor is lacking that info so I'm not sure in what direction to point you.
Posted by MK (Member # 1445) on 08-29-2003, 11:30 PM:
For Gold and Silver and Crystal Gender was determined by the Attack DV...

In Ruby and Sapphire, Gender is NOT assigned by DVs. There is just like a "gender value" the pkmn have...
Posted by MasamuneXGP (Member # 3412) on 08-30-2003, 12:09 AM:
Yeah, that much I know... All I really need to know is if the Shiny status is related to anything at all. You said something about it using the same variable as Gender? Does that mean that only male pokes can be shiny or something along those lines? Or is it completely and totally independant from all other values?
Posted by TIDUSBLITZABESX (Member # 3390) on 08-30-2003, 01:37 AM:
Well I don't know too much about Gender Stats. I know I caught a few shinys. Neither one was a Mirage Pokemon either, and a couple were males. From my experience battling constantly four hours in one spot or catching pokemon for the longest time, I would say the odds are just random. There is no certain mechanics behind it. Kinda like putting a pile of numbers in a hat and shaking it around not knowing what number you will get. There could be more to it, than that maybe but I doubt it.

If you really want a shiny that bad keep staying in one spot. It would take hours or days it really depends, and if your lucky maybe a minute. Probably just want to keep playing around till you get one. You can also save then turn off your game and turn it back on again and try it that way too. I caught most of my rare pokemon that way (saving then if I don't get the pokemon I want I reset and turn the game back on again), and accidently a shiny when I turned on the game. That was just pure luck [Smile]
Posted by XtreamWarrior53 (Member # 3495) on 08-31-2003, 01:28 AM:
Tidus, your sorda on track. Random species plays one part of it. The Gender ratio plays a huge role if you get a shiny pokemon or mirage pokemon. Females are more than likely to get this ratio. The best ratio for Mirage Pokemon are at "0".

We can't always get a Shiny mirage pokemon. It looks as though there is a ratio number that gives you both shiny and mirage type pokemon.

I am looking for a game shark code to be able to view these values to understand this better. I will keep you people posted
Posted by Odnamra Taizem (Member # 2689) on 09-03-2003, 06:56 PM:
If I'm not mistaken, I remember seeing a post made by xyzman of such nature on Gamefaqs. However, the thread may have been deleted by now, so I'll try to summarize what I can remember from what he posted back then [Razz]

Now, there are 2 hidden variables for each poké, which decide things like Gender Value, nature, trait (should the poké's species have two traits), Spinda's patterns and Unown's shape. How they're decided is still unknown to me, though.

These variables, just like IVs, are set randomly, ranging from 0 to 65535, and cannot be changed.

A pokémon is considered shiny if:

8 > (Var1 xor Var2) xor (ID xor SecID)
("xor" stands for Exclusive Or, bit-wise)

...Well, I suppose most AHers already knew that, but anyway ._.

One curious thing about this: according to the formula, let's suppose a pokémon hatches from an egg incubated by Trainer1 and is shiny. If Trainer1 happened to give the same Egg to Trainer2 and it hatched while being incubated by Trainer2, it wouldn't be shiny anymore...
Well, I wonder if that's true, but it's what I was able to figure out while looking at the formula [Razz] ~

[ 09-03-2003, 06:57 PM: Message edited by: Odnamra Taizem ]
Posted by pika (Member # 1908) on 09-07-2003, 08:18 AM:
To add 2 more things:
Var1 AND 0x00FF = Gender Value
(Var2 shl 16 AND Var1) mod 25 = Traitid
actually i'm not 100% sure about the 2nd anymore i'd have to ckeck it.
Well anyway it's either this or just Var1 mod 25.
Posted by TIDUSBLITZABESX (Member # 3390) on 09-07-2003, 03:44 PM:
Hi Pika,

I can't seem to get your Max IV codes to work. I couldn't figure out if you used these codes while catching a pokemon from the wild or if you used these codes while one is already in your party that is wild. I put one code in at a time, seem to have no effect either way.

How do I get these codes to work?

I couldn't find a better explaination on your site so thats why im asking you here. THanks

These codes can help me check my stat caclulator at level 100 to see if it is still on track or not, and test other things. TY

Karpe Diem