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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 12-27-2000, 12:22 AM:
 
In the training hall under Viridian City, the person you battle is the person you last mystery gifted. Is the money awarded for defeating the trainer based on the total amount of money the last person you mystery gifted had? Or is it based on what pokemon you battle? Please answer, as this could lead to the best way to max out stat. exp ever.

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Posted by *HeRaCr0sS* (Member # 1193) on 12-27-2000, 02:56 AM:
 
What does money have to do with Stat Exp?

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Posted by JP Nogueira (Member # 962) on 12-27-2000, 10:55 AM:
 
The money you get defeating the trainer at Viridian Trainers' House is based on the pkmns' level.

I used to fight CAL and aways got 5.000 (10.000 with Amulet Coin).
Then I fought my brother (after MG), and his team was around level 15... I got 1.400 or 2.400... can´t remeber...but I hated it!!

Then I faced my brother again, and he was using his lv 100 pkmns. The money I got was 10.000 (20.000 with AC)

So, the money you earn after battling the trainer at VTH is based on its pkmns levels.

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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 12-27-2000, 01:43 PM:
 
Are you sure it's based on level? I fought a team that was all lvl 50-55, but I got around 2400 (4800).

Heracross:

If the money remains at 0 and there is a way to not increase that amount when fighting the training hall trainer, we can change the time using the time changing code and make days pass instantly. Therefore, we could constantly battle the training hall trainer. Now, if the trainer down there has a team composed of low level pokemon with high base stats, then we could constantly battle and raise stat. exp quickly. According to Necrosaro's ranking list, I took the pokemon near the top of the list that would have the lowest levels possible.

Training Hall Trainer Team:
Lvl. 6 Blissey
Lvl. 5 Scizor or Flareon
Lvl. 5 Shuckle
Lvl. 5 Jolteon
Lvl. 6 Espeon
Lvl. 5 Mew

I took the pokemon that are close to the best for their best stat. Mew is a well rounded one to stick in. If you can give me better ideas on what this team should be composed of, then say so.

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Posted by JP Nogueira (Member # 962) on 12-27-2000, 06:08 PM:
 
What was the team you faced? I mean, what were the pkmns?

I realized that if facing CAL and getting 5.000 and facing a lv 100 team and getting 10.000, this would be based on their levels.

Did anyone earn more than 10.000 (20.000) at VTH?

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Posted by White Cat (Member # 42) on 12-29-2000, 10:57 AM:
 
The money you earn from a normal trainer battle is based on the Pokemon's level and a constant that is specific to the species. I'm fairly certain that the Trainer House works the same way.

BTW, what does "CAL" stand for?

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Posted by pokeguy (Member # 639) on 12-29-2000, 03:00 PM:
 
CAL is the name of the guy you battle in the Trainer House if you have not Mystery Gifted or link traded with someone. I believe he has a Typhlosion (L 50), Feraligatr (L 50) and Meganium (L 50).

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Posted by abz1986 (Member # 150) on 01-01-2001, 08:24 PM:
 
whoa, wait a minute.... is the team you battle the pokemon your opponent has on his team when last saved?... I mean since you're mystery gifting and all.

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Posted by kelv (Member # 843) on 01-02-2001, 12:04 PM:
 
... and what would be those constants, White Cat?

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Posted by White Cat (Member # 42) on 01-08-2001, 04:13 PM:
 
I think TeamPA or Pokemon Daily has a list of them.

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 01-08-2001, 08:47 PM:
 
Your opponent's last pokemon's level * 100 (* 2 with Amulet Coin)

Case in point - my Mystery Gifter had a team of lv.90-100s, but his last poke was a sharked lv.2 Mew loaded with HMs.

What'd I get? $200.

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 01-08-2001, 08:49 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by *HeRaCr0sS*:
What does money have to do with Stat Exp?


I think he was trying to say that you could spend all the money on stat enhancers for a pokemon, then train it to get more for the next pokemon.

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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 01-09-2001, 01:35 AM:
 
No, I wasn't saying that. You should have read the other posts.

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Posted by kelv (Member # 843) on 01-09-2001, 09:51 PM:
 
Lemme get this straight...

L of last poké * 100, and you don't know in what order CAL sends out his guys, which means for maximum cash (and minimal effort) you must go against a single L100 for a team and that would be it. Can anyone tell me in what order CAL sends his guys out? Are they in order?

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Posted by Muku (Member # 1052) on 01-11-2001, 04:48 PM:
 
There's no real order they come out in, I've checked.

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Posted by Automaton (Member # 1234) on 01-11-2001, 09:52 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by kelv:
Lemme get this straight...

L of last poké * 100, and you don't know in what order CAL sends out his guys, which means for maximum cash (and minimal effort) you must go against a single L100 for a team and that would be it. Can anyone tell me in what order CAL sends his guys out? Are they in order?


The order when not actually in the battle is set. When in a trainer battle, however, the only constant is the opener. But the actual order that they come out in is different depending on which of your Pokemon fainted the last one. Other than that, the order as they appear on your PKMN menu is always the same.

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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 01-12-2001, 12:03 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rolken:
Your opponent's last pokemon's level * 100 (* 2 with Amulet Coin)

Case in point - my Mystery Gifter had a team of lv.90-100s, but his last poke was a sharked lv.2 Mew loaded with HMs.

What'd I get? $200.



That's really interesting. So the team I posted would generally get 500-600 dollars.

Hmmm....

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Posted by Mister Cant (Member # 1414) on 01-14-2001, 05:08 PM:
 
i think, it is the average level of the pokemons
Example: The guy i mistery gifted had a whole level 100 team, that means i´ll get 100 money times 100, i think that is it

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Posted by 137 (Member # 1465) on 02-01-2001, 02:55 PM:
 
So, y'all are sayin' that fighting in-game trainers (like Cal) builds Stat Exp? How about link battles? I'd love to test it myself and skip all this typing, but I don't have anyone to fight.

*buries face in hands and sobs*

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Posted by kelv (Member # 843) on 02-04-2001, 11:02 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by 137:
So, y'all are sayin' that fighting in-game trainers (like Cal) builds Stat Exp? How about link battles? I'd love to test it myself and skip all this typing, but I don't have anyone to fight.

Read the Stat Exp guide here on AH. You will find that: drugs for your pokémon are good, and drugs for yourself are bad. The Stat Boosters themselves shave of a third of your training.

2nd, note that the SE you get is based solely on who you defeat, not the levels or conditions of battle. Since you are out of trainers, you can only go through E4 or wild. If you have a shark, shark yourselves L1 Mewtwos. If you don't, any pokémon with great BSs should do the trick.

3rd, SE doubles with PokéRUS. A thread here has the lowdown on PokéRUS. If you have a shark, go a step further by PokéRUS all your pokémon.

4th, if you have a shark, why don't you edit the SE directly? Whether or not you do have a shark, this should help.

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 02-13-2001, 12:25 PM:
 
137(?): All battles but link battles give stat exp. I don't know about Exp. Share though. You can also fight trainers by registering their numbers, and sometimes they'll call for a rematch.

Mr. Cant: No, it's definitely based on the last pokemon. If it's all lv.100, then the last is 100, hence 100*100 = 10,000. Different trainers have different modifiers though - only critical battles grant 100 per level. If you want the most money for least effort, fight a single lv.100 Karp in the Viridian hall with the Amulet Coin for $20000.

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Posted by DocMui (Member # 829) on 02-14-2001, 07:20 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rolken:
If you want the most money for least effort, fight a single lv.100 Karp in the Viridian hall with the Amulet Coin for $20000.



I guess I'm a bit of a masochist. I cloned myself 6 level 100 Chanseys. Of course, the real gauntlet would be 6 level 100 grep Mewtwos...which I did one time! 95% of the time, they used Amnesia and I was able to take them down with the standard Parasect. It was just the 5% when they did something intelligent like putting up a sub where I was screwed. Exp. share is your friend, particularly if you're raising a Dratini or Larvitar to their full potential.

(Okay, here's the insane part: I memorized my time-change password before and after the fight so that I could have an immediate re-match.)

Well, it sure beats having to go fight critters at Mt. Silver again and again.

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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 02-17-2001, 03:51 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by DocMui:
(Okay, here's the insane part: I memorized my time-change password before [b]and after the fight so that I could have an immediate re-match.)
[B]

BRILLIANT!!!! JUST BRILLIANT!!!!

I never thought of doing that... If I just record the time change pws after each battle, I could instantly rematch until I have max stat exp. Then when I'm done with that, I can just deposit money and start all over with another Pokémon!!! WAHOOO!!! WAHOOO!!! WAHOO!!

*goes on incessant cheering streak about the fastest way to level up with max stat. exp* ^_^

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 02-17-2001, 10:36 PM:
 
Then again, that is approaching the 'cheating' line... but I guess I'm the only one who cares. Proceed. ^_^;

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Posted by waruimewtwo (Member # 1328) on 02-18-2001, 12:03 AM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rolken:
Then again, that is approaching the 'cheating' line... but I guess I'm the only one who cares. Proceed. ^_^;


Actually, I care as well. But I personally think that this isn't cheating, just utilizing something that was purposely programmed into the game in a really cheap way. (EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT, EXPLOIT)

And this isn't the same as missingno because the time change codes and mystery gift aren't glitches, but rather features of the game meant for use.

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Posted by Manuel Calavera (Member # 1202) on 03-10-2001, 06:47 AM:
 
YAY! :runs off to get his Tyranitar up to it's best:

HOLY SHIT! It's got an Attack DV of 15! I'm so lucky!

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Posted by sword (Member # 1587) on 03-10-2001, 07:24 PM:
 
get a mewtwo on the coast of cinnabar over lvl 100 if "D" is in the 3rd, 5th, or 7th letter of your name. raise it over lvl 255 to make it lvl 0. trade it to G/S. put it at the end of the lineup. mystery gift. voala. no money, but a lot of stat exp.

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Posted by White Cat (Member # 42) on 03-13-2001, 06:05 AM:
 
Why not put it somewhere else in the list, so you will get the stat exp and the money?

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 03-13-2001, 12:11 PM:
 
And this isn't the same as missingno because the time change codes and mystery gift aren't glitches, but rather features of the game meant for use.

Which is why it has a password?

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Posted by OrientalNoodle (Member # 616) on 03-14-2001, 02:53 AM:
 
It has a password so that you cannot do it "by mistake" as when doing the Missingno.-trick, says me.

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Posted by Mr. K (Member # 2) on 03-14-2001, 09:46 AM:
 
waruimewtwo: But I personally think that this isn't cheating, just utilizing something that was purposely programmed into the game in a really cheap way.

The lengths to which you guys will go to claim that obvious cheats are not cheating is pretty funny.

I'm not saying I wouldn't do something like this...but, c'mon, guys, at least be honest with yourselves.

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Posted by Rolken (Member # 7) on 03-15-2001, 09:50 AM:
 
It has a password so that you cannot do it "by mistake" as when doing the Missingno.-trick, says me.

Yeah, right, like they have security at the IRS so you can't bomb them 'by mistake'.

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Posted by sword (Member # 1587) on 03-15-2001, 04:33 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
Why not put it somewhere else in the list, so you will get the stat exp [b]and the money?

[/B]


the whole point of putting a lvl 0 mewtwo last on the lineup it to gain a lot of stat exp without getting any money. 100x0=0=no change. Without a change in money held, you don't need to figure out the new password required when more money is received. (money earned+current numbers) therefore no hassle

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Posted by Atma (Member # 689) on 03-15-2001, 06:38 PM:
 
Or, put a level 98 pokemon as the last pokemon to battle:

Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.

And, when done, just sell the Calcium/HP-Up/etc. for plenty of cash, ka-ching! (or, use them on pokemon that haven't had enough of them yet)

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Posted by DocMui (Member # 829) on 03-15-2001, 11:24 PM:
 
quote:
Originally posted by Atma:
Or, put a level 98 pokemon as the last pokemon to battle:

Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.
Battle, get stat exp and $9800
Buy a Calcium/HP-Up/etc.


Well, what I usually do is give the $ to good old Mom, then use my password to reset the time.

Fair warning, people...the Trainer House trainer doesn't necessarily go in order with his Pokemon. In other words, he can and will randomize...and that Level 98 critter is suddenly next to last instead of last.

If you want to try it this way, I'd say hedge your bets and Mystery Gift with a lineup of all level 98 critters.

BTW, Atma...no insult, but I find it mildly amusing that you're so gung ho about a strategy I created (I call it the Gauntlet) when you were blasting me a few weeks ago about merely sharking a Trainer ID. After all, Mr. K says it's cheating, and we all know how you feel about that. I personally think that this strategy is nothing more than the creative circumvention of program limits while working within the program itself, but that could be construed as, well...cheating.

If your ethics preclude you from the quick and easy path like sharking ID #'s, by all means, don't use the Gauntlet. Plod on with the gospel as only NOA can preach it, and I'm sure that in a few months, you'll reach the same results.

(The moral of this story? Don't be so quick to razz a single-assed monkey, for he might actually come up with something helpful that you haven't.)

Thank you, and everybody, have fun with the Gauntlet.

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