6-on-6 works better than the Stadium default 3-on-3.

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THOSE BASTARD PUSSY CUPS!!!

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Tradebacks
I figured this would be a debated topic (since it usually is on this board). Right now I'm seeing better arguments against tradebacks rather than for them. Add to that the fact that I've been looking for tradebacks that won't bring in powerful moves that shouldn't be found in these cups and I'm coming up with a very limited selection. So right now I'm of the mind to just ban tradebacks all together from the tournament unless I hear some good arguments for them. Your opinions on this matter are welcomed.

Format
Jolt135 suggested doing one Pika Cup battle and one Petit Cup battle per round with some sort of tiebreaker added in. Upon further examination of this I found I liked the idea but was unsure of what a good tiebreaker would be.

Then Uiru suggested adding Little Cup. Well, as I stated, that wouldn't work since this is a RBY tournament.

But then Meowth346 suggested, based on Uiru's suggestion, adding in the Nintendo Cup to lengthen the tourney. The Nintendo Cup is an official Japanese rule set that allows 33 specific Pokemon, all of whom are final form except for one, to be used in a lvl 1-30 battle. There are no added level rules so you can have a team with 6 lvl 30 Pokemon. This provides the tourney with a really new format since this cup isn't used in the English version and helps out those who don't like the divided levels restrictions. The bonus part about adding in the Nintendo Cup: it provides me with an idea tiebreaker for Jolt135's format.

So here's the format I'm thinking about. Each round has three battles, one Pika Cup, one Petit Cup, and one Nintendo Cup. The trainer who wins 2 out of 3 battles advances to the next round. This allows everyone 2 to 3 battles at least, it doesn't divide up the tournament into different parts like I was first thinking, and it has enough varying Pokemon and rule sets that everyone should be able to find some strength in one of the available cups.

To me these suggestions are giving us a better tournament than I had first come up with on my own. I would very much like to know what everyone else thinks and if you have any other ideas I would like to hear them. I would prefer to have a tournament that interests people and is good enough to be done several times in the future. Please let me know your thoughts either here or by emailing me at dominion32@yahoo.com .

"What do you think this is, GS? Get that Death Star outta here!"

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Originally posted by Jumpman16:
Heh, you got that right.

"What do you think this is, GS? Get that Death Star outta here!"

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I see your point. But just for the record I checked and you couldn't get a Death Starmie into the tourney even under the original rules.

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And I could've sworn I slayed many a Lv.18-19 Gastly in the Pokémon Tower...

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Gastly and I think one or two other Pokes were giving me problems. While you couldn't capture Gastly below lvl 18 you could rent him on Stadium at lvl 15. Maybe I should just say "Screw Stadium" and go for a purely GB base. But that still leaves a few gaps:

Hitmonchan, Hitmonlee, Omanyte, Kabuto @ L:20. (legal for Pika Cup)

Starters @ L:10. (legal anyway)

Data:

This tournament is supposed to REVIVE INTEREST in the lower-level Cups. Unfortunately, anything that is purely RBY has already been discovered and rediscovered.

So for a revival of interest, we need to add something more than purely RBY.

GSC Tradebacks are a perfect way of doing this.

Unfortunately, it introduces possibilities such as a L30 Triplepunch Abra sweeping EVERYTHING in Petit Cup.

So I offer this: Tradebacks should be legal, but only one move per Pokemon can be tradeback-only.

If you have a tradeback-only Pokemon with a tradeback-only move, as long as it is only ONE tradebacked move, it is legal.

The other thing that I believe is that not everything for the smaller cups has been discovered. Sure there are some standard strategies floating about but I think we will all see new things come about from this tournament too. Last I checked very few Azurians partispated in the Pika, Petit, or Poke Cup parts of Nintendo tours and the PBS has been dominated by level 100s. I don't think everything is known and that everything will be standard from the start. Add to that the fact we will probably be using the Nintendo Cup as well which will definetly bring in brand new ideas and strategies.

I'm still willing to leave the subject open to debate. However, bottom line as far as this tourney goes, there have been more votes by interested partisipants against tradebacks than for (actually I think you're the only vote for tradebacks since I'm trying to stay neutral.

On another note, all battles will be 6 on 6 (another thing which will give a new aspect to the older cups) so I've doubled the level totals (Pika=100, Petit=160). At first I was also going to double the limits on sleep and freeze clause but I'm noticing many other tournaments didn't enforce a freeze clause so I'm rethinking those limits.

Would you want a single GSC tradeback move per team?

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G/S was designed for RBY influences, but RBY was not designed for tradebacks. If you allow them, Pika Cup will be ruled by Amnesia Nidokings and Nidoqueens.

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This, sir, is a crock.

For one thing, where is your proof that RBY was not designed to be influenced by GSC? Nintendo has obviously beat themselves up getting the ability to trade Pokémon between the two versions, and if they were worried so much about tradebacks, they'd have put some sort of restriction in GSC. It'd say "You can't take that Oddish 'cause it has Razor Leaf" the same way it says "You can't take that Oddish 'cause it has Sweet Scent". It'd be a simple thing to set up.

Secondly, I don't recall Nintendo ever saying anything about GSC tradebacks. They probably should, to clear up this ridiculous argument. They have yet to say anything about RBY influences in GSC, too. Why? Because it's so bloody obvious. "Your Blissey has Thunderwave! You're cheating!" Stadium 1 only lists the tradeback moves as illegal because they didn't know what they were going to do in the future. When the next generation of games come out, and entirely new sets of moves are developed for GSC as well as RBY, both versions are going to be revived again as strategies are upended and new sweeper methods and counters are devised. Unfortunately, then we're going to hear from twice as many whiners.

Which brings us to the third point. Common sense. How stagnant IS RBY these days? It's three or four years old! Everything there is to know is known. GSC is getting pretty smelly too, which is partly due to the fact that we had the ROM ripped to pieces before the games even came out. What better way to give the games a huge shot in the arm than to bring in a whole new set of movesets and possibilities?

And just so you know, I didn't see one Amnesia Nidoking in JI. Did any even get used? The few Clefable I did see got pounded so quickly I didn't find out if they had Amnesia or not.

If you're so worried about Abra's triplepunch, Hyper Beam it. Doduo's Hyper Beam is a OHKO. Even if it doesn't have its Punches, don't you think the 308 SA Psychics it'll be belting out will ruin pretty much everything? An SE Thunderpunch isn't THAT much stronger than a STAB Psychic on anything other than Psychic types. And what about Gyarados' Surf, Dragon Rage, Thunderbolt and Ice Beam? That sounds hard. Let's ban it.

Tournaments should be about skill, power, and technique. The more restrictions you put in place, the less important these become. I say, if it's possible in RBY, GSC, Stadium 1 or 2, go for it. They're there for a reason.

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Originally posted by Uiru:
And just so you know, I didn't see one Amnesia Nidoking in JI. Did any even get used? The few Clefable I did see got pounded so quickly I didn't find out if they had Amnesia or not.
~Uiru

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The Amnesia pokes were mostly underused pokemon, and with their new amnesia power, people may start to use them more.

Trainers I have listed as signed up are:
1. DarkPersian (duh)
2. Meowth346
3. Alienx
4. Jolt135
5. Jman