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EspeonNidoking
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posted 02-07-2003 07:51 PM
just wondering how it makes you feel.
for me (on message boards) i get the same feeling as playing baseball kinda...that kinda nervous feeling that the ball is gonna be hit to you, and you kinda wonder what is gonna happen (if you'll make a mistake, play it right, make the right decision, etc.).
arguing on a message board seems to give me the same feeling, that nervous feeling waiting to see the person's rebuttal or whatever...maybe they'll prove you wrong or whatever.
i know a lot of people here (including the admins) like debating/arguing...how does it make you feel?
(bored, just made a silly thread ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
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The Muffin King
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posted 02-07-2003 07:54 PM
If it wasn't old, and I had the URL, I'd post that "Arguing on the Internet is just like competing in the Special Olympics" pic.
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EspeonNidoking
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posted 02-07-2003 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by The Muffin King:
If it wasn't old, and I had the URL, I'd post that "Arguing on the Internet is just like competing in the Special Olympics" pic.
forget i said arguing....how about Debating.
cuz debating on a message board imho is not lame or stupid. i've seen some good ones here.
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PikaBlade
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posted 02-07-2003 08:05 PM
Debating over the internet is fun, and can be exciting...On the internet you can talk to people about issues that you might not talk about with people you know IRL, and it's great to see other people's views on stuff. It sucks to have your points proven wrong by someone, but not any more that it might IRL...
Arguing over the internet, on the other hand, is pointless and stupid.
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Atma
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posted 02-07-2003 08:18 PM
I agree with Pikablade./ After all, it's not like I can discuss the merits of Growthing Flareon with anyone IRL.
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The Muffin King
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posted 02-07-2003 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by Atma:
After all, it's not like I can discuss the merits of Growthing Flareon with anyone IRL.
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posted 02-07-2003 08:32 PM
I live in Texas, so I tend to be less vocal about my political stances down here. Even though I know there probably is no reason to be afraid of it, there's always the risk they'll shoot me or something for being a vegetarian, atheist, liberal, pro-peace, non-WASP, pro-social policies environmentalist here in Texas.
Online I can say whatever I want without being embarassed, because I'm not going to be seeing you guys every day like I would IRL, and if I were to ever mess up too much, I can always magically disappear from a forum in proper coward fashion.
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Mentar the Malady Monkey
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posted 02-07-2003 10:31 PM
I think my 70+ posts in the Evolution thread more than speak for my views on debating online.
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posted 02-07-2003 10:35 PM
...vegetarian, atheist, liberal, pro-peace, non-WASP, pro-social policies environmentalist...
I'm coming for you.
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pkthunder
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posted 02-07-2003 10:57 PM
I like debating on the internet because I get to really think through my answers and use dictionaries and the endless resources of the internet to back up my arguments. I tend to stay quiet during real-life debates, because I'm not so quick on my feet with good answers, and spout out wrong information when I'm trying to be quick and keep up with the debate.
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posted 02-07-2003 10:59 PM
Yeah, but you can do that IRL and nobody else can keep up, and thus you'd sound like you know what your shit is.
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Mr. K
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posted 02-07-2003 11:03 PM
I love it when you guys debate things, even when I don't agree with you, because at least you guys are using your minds. It's one thing to say I'm for/against capital punishment, but it's something different to understand what it is that you are basing those beliefs on.
As you long you have reasons for the things you believe in, I might disagree with you, but it's not going to piss me off.
People who have beliefs and don't even know why drive me nucking futs, tho.
Anyway, intelligent debate helps you figure out why you believe the things you do and sometimes (if you aren't too worried about appearing to get "pwned") can actually change your mind about stuff...and that's a benefit that sticks with you even after you turn the computer off.
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Mr. K
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posted 02-07-2003 11:39 PM
EN: ...i get the same feeling as playing baseball kinda...that kinda nervous feeling that the ball is gonna be hit to you, and you kinda wonder what is gonna happen...
By the way, I know exactly what you're talking about here. An interesting observation, too.
I get that sometimes if I'm discussing something I don't know all that much about. But those are the good ones, where you learn things.
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posted 02-07-2003 11:59 PM
i like arguing/debating, its fun, bot only when its intelligent
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Charmeleon42
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posted 02-08-2003 12:39 AM
Debating is fun.
Thustly Evolution was the coolest topic ever.
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posted 02-08-2003 10:48 AM
Debating is fun.
Arguing can be fun too, but only if you're arguing with somebody like EN.
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Donald
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posted 02-08-2003 11:05 AM
Although I'm always up for a good debate, I have a problem when I do - someone always seems to say what I want to say, and does it a lot better than I can.
People often don't understand what I'm trying to say, usually because I'm not that good at phrasing my arguments.
That's why I'm usually not diving into the debate threads.
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ceoalex316
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posted 02-08-2003 12:26 PM
I'll usually argue when it's a debate about U.S. foreign policies, Law, physics, or religion.
I stayed out of the evolution topic.
I also like to argue about totally insane things, just to piss people off.
Most of you thought I was serious though ![[Frown]](frown.gif) .
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pkthunder
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posted 02-08-2003 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by IceHawk78:
Yeah, but you can do that IRL and nobody else can keep up, and thus you'd sound like you know what your shit is.
I hang out with people that are smarter than I am. They are also much more outspoken and opinionated and quick to put me in my place if they disagree, but only in the most loving manner.
At work, I can't exactly get into a debate because I'm smarter than all of them and they lose interest.
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posted 02-08-2003 01:23 PM
I think debating r0><0rz, but I do get tired of arguing over the same things a lot especially when the person you're arguing with isn't being reasonable or if they don't want to listen to what you have to say.
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EspeonNidoking
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posted 02-08-2003 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by veloS:
Debating is fun.
Arguing can be fun too, but only if you're arguing with somebody like EN.
when have i ever argued with you. ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
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Mick_Hale
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posted 02-08-2003 07:12 PM
I tend to be more worried about getting hit in the face with a basketball. I've been pwned way too many times, IRL and OL. One of these days I'll get better, hopefully. Still working on it.
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Rolken
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posted 02-08-2003 08:56 PM
Debating can be fun; arguing is generally stupid.
ceoalex: I also like to argue [...] just to piss people off.
And he wonders why no one can stand him...
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posted 02-08-2003 09:30 PM
I get the nervous feeling too. It's strongest right before I come back to a thread after tearing somebody a new one and then being away for a few hours. Will it turn out that I missed something and in fact they were right? Years ago I used to debate on usenet, and occasionally I would flame a guy so bad that I wouldn't even come back to the thread. Not that I was particularly doubting that I was right, but when you sow that much negativity you can't very well reap anything positive.
On the plus side it feels pretty good when you're holding your ground. And it feels great to stick swords into some ignorant windbag. I think it's exactly these motivating factors that make debating vital to exploring/defining your own beliefs about things. No one is motiviated to just sit alone on the couch at home and develop a comprehensive position on foreign policy or euthanasia. Yes, it's important to think about things on your own and in your own time, but other people will always come up with challenging objections and points of view that you've never considered. (Pretty much a rehash of what K said.) Ultimately, all spoken or written knowledge is socially constructed.
I totally agree with pkthunder about the merits of message board debating. In addition to the things she mentioned, it's nice to have a complete record of what everyone has said, and that no one can interrupt you or pressure you. I think all of those things lend to a greater focus on the actual content of the discussion. Something that drives me nuts in a debate is when people don't keep an eye on the big picture. You can't "win" a debate just by catching your opponent in n factual errors or self-contradictions. Those things are critical only when his overall position depends on them. In fact a good debater will her eye on the prize and say, "well, you're wrong there, but it doesn't matter much; let's get back to this other point."
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posted 02-08-2003 09:45 PM
My problem with Internet debating is partly due to the Internet itself. Once people's wells of knowledge are dry, the debating becomes two people posting links at each other until the debate fizzles. They just run on too long and eventually everyone loses interest, even if the topic is still relevant.
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ceoalex316
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posted 02-08-2003 11:23 PM
de·bate- To engage in a formal discussion or argument. Link
There is nothing formal about the way we argue.
Sometimes when someone wonders off subject, the whole argument goes with him. Then you have people who have no clue what they are arguing about and people who don't understand what everyone else is arguing about. Technically we don't debate here, what we do is argue. Keep in mind that you can support your opinions in both an argument and a debate. All we do here is argue with reason.
Rolken: And he wonders why no one can stand him...
Lets see...
You hate me because I made fun of both you and your girlfriend, and the fact that you don't want to have sex.
AnnieKat hates me because I act immature, I made fun of her boyfriend and herself.
IceHawk hates me because I fail to see things his way, and for the pk remark.
SC is pk's friend
cfalcon is pk's friend
Donald because he is fat.
Mr. K because I annoy him.
Pk because I didn't like her picture and because I act immature.
Mentor the monkey and The Muffin King hate me because they hate my arguments.
That should be it. Did I miss anyone?
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posted 02-08-2003 11:28 PM
Me.
I just generally dislike you.:-)
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pkthunder
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posted 02-08-2003 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by ceoalex316:
de·bate- To engage in a formal discussion or argument. Link
There is nothing formal about the way we argue.
You picked the definition you wanted. I believe EN meant debate as in definition 2.
Like when Icehawk asked me what I thought a just war was, I had to know which definition of just he wanted, just as in moral, or just as in rational or reasonable.
The debate in the definition you chose might be one between political candidates, or the kind where high schoolers join a club and dress up and read off index cards for points.
But people participate in informal debates all the time, not just over the Internet. Over dinner, at parties, over the role-playing table (how many attacks of opportunity does the four-armed monkey get?), in class or at work. It doesn't mean its not debating just because you're not wearing your power tie.
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posted 02-09-2003 12:57 AM
alex: SC [hates me because he] is pk's friend
No, see, you're getting it all wrong. pkthunder and I are friends, but that's not why I hold you in disdain. I find your posts to be mostly worthless, annoying crap, and on more than one occaision I've said something to the effect of “the fuck is this shit” out loud whilst reading them.
As a result, I usually post short insults directed at you because they don't take very much time and I like it like that. 
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posted 02-09-2003 02:04 AM
Why do I hate you, ceoalex?
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EspeonNidoking
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posted 02-09-2003 04:48 AM
grrr alex, you didn't have to bring that shit i this thread. i thought it was going fine.
and i already told you sc didn't hate you cuz of what you did to pkthunder -_-.
anyway can you all just ignore alex and discuss the thread .
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Rolken
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posted 02-09-2003 12:24 PM
What baffles me most during debates is nonsense like this:
I like to argue that it is beneficial for America to go to war because I seriously believe Saddam is a threat to the U.S.
People choose to only see an overgeneralized perspective on things or, in the other extreme, focus on one tiny little point and use it as the Grand Proof of their point of view, neglecting all the other factors to be taken into consideration.
It amazes me how such grand conclusions as "Saddam == bad therefore war == good" can be made with such confidence. Do people who say things like that think that the anti-war group doesn't know Saddam is bad, or that the opposition is somehow too stupid to see the implications that the would-be debaters can (in this case, despite the people in charge generally being a few decades older and wiser), or what?
If only ceoalex were the only one to do this...
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posted 02-09-2003 02:17 PM
I agree with #7, when people pull shit like over or under generalizations, it ruins the fun of the debate because you have some useless moron wasting space.
Arguing is fun too, especially when people gang up on someone.
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posted 02-09-2003 05:33 PM
Well, on the ceoalex note: you're mean and somewhat disruptive. I never had a high opinion of you in the past, because there were usually people who were more mean spirited in the past. Just for the record, I started off with negative opinions of many people (sC, anthrax, EN, others) who seemed to be overly critical of opinions they didn't agree with or thought processes they considered unsophisticated, because that thinking makes for a hostile environment. I understand that not only can people change but that I can misjudge (EN isn't the hostile lamer I thought he was, so either I was confusing him with someone else or I was only remembering his very old posts), so I usually change my mind when someone acts like a human.
But yea, that post of yours pissed a lot of people off. If that was the goal, then ceoalex### wins.
On topic, I'll say that I really like the board debates. My opinions aren't set in stone, and I've shifted some, and I'd like to think that a lot of my informative posts are actually informative. Some people have ideas that are just locked in place and based on nothing- which isn't bad unless they don't know that. I also think that this board doesn't get as "hot" as some others, but it could just be that I'm somewhat respected and people don't just launch into me for no reason. I think you can learn a lot from any kind of interaction with other humans, as long as that's your goal or you aren't opposed to it, and the message board medium lets you talk with a lot of people from all over the... uh... internet. The form of it is only an obstacle to those of highly challenged intellect, and I like that debates like this used to be carried out with letters- and only over the most important of matters, because of the effort involved, and now they flow like a well formed conversation. If you don't have a clue about something, you can go google it up and be much better informed by the time you post (one of the reasons people come down so hard on false info is that truth is cheap).
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posted 02-09-2003 05:35 PM
Hmm. I just reread the first paragraph and would like to add that ceoalex### isn't actually on the list of people I just read over- because some of his posts are factual and informative (the definition of rape, for instance), so I don't want to sound like I'm slamming him too hard.
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EspeonNidoking
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posted 02-09-2003 05:36 PM
heh aww thanks ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
yeah, when i first came to azure i guess i was still the immature high schooler who thought it was cool to cause trouble on boards or somethin.
you weren't the only one to dislike me heh.
glad to see i'm more mature now in older people's eyes though.
oh and about the ceoalex winning thing...
don't take it the wrong way lol i don't think anyone on this board actually enjoys his company, or him posting in their threads...as he usually messes them up somehow. :\
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ceoalex316
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posted 02-09-2003 10:17 PM
EN: don't take it the wrong way lol i don't think anyone on this board actually enjoys his company, or him posting in their threads...as he usually messes them up somehow. :\
That only happens when someone flames me. You won’t find a thread that I threw off subject on my own.
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posted 02-10-2003 04:40 AM
Take this one for example. You completely disrupted this thread to a point in that all the sudden it has changed from a "what's yer opinion of debating" thread to (partially) a "what's wrong with Mr. Potatoe Head?" thread.
Yes, I called him Mr. Potatoe head in a specific effort to have this entire tangent removed from this thread. If it isn't (it hasn't been yet) then I will simply respond to The Great Potatoe Famine of Azure Heights by saying that you only had me half right, but I'm not going to even bother going into why you were wrong, because that would just be hijacking this thread further from its intented purpose.
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As for the main topic of this thread, I would like to add my own $.0001 (that's all I've got left after buying gas, with the prices so damned high...). Even though I'm basically rehashing in less detail and with less elegance what some of the rest of you said, I too think that the debates we have here are good, so long as the participants don't just end up with a technicality fight or namecalling. However, the one thing that these topics are most beneficial for, to me, is the fact that everyone can read them, even if they are not educated in the subject enough to have anything to say. I cannot tell you how many threads I've read here that altered my view on something one way or the oher without my particiapation in any way, shape, or form.
Other than that, generally the fact that almost any subject is up for grabs is also nice. The fact that there are enough intelligent people here to be able to discuss the merits of something as basic to our education as evolution or something as complex as the ability to create self-regenerating clones is always nice. I can almost garauntee that there is nobody with opinions as strong as those in the evolution thread or the means to express those views as well as the participants to have come up with such a complete arguement for/against evolution.
Alrighty, I think I'm done, for now. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) Damn, that was long, or at least, it seemed it.
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ceoalex316
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posted 02-10-2003 03:07 PM
Ice: You completely disrupted this thread to a point in that all the sudden it has changed from a "what's yer opinion of debating" thread to (partially) a "what's wrong with Mr. Potatoe Head?" thread.
Rolken's remark made me do it.
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posted 02-10-2003 03:17 PM
It wasn't me, it was the one-armed, one-legged, one breasted hermaphrodite.
Rolken made a comment that was completely relevant. Just like I prolly should STFU about all that holocaust stuff, perhaps you should STFU and stop pissing people off.
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posted 02-10-2003 08:33 PM
"The message board is God's gift to slow people"-Some person. For all I can remember, that quote could have been said here at AH.
The way I see net debates, they let the actual ideas and opinions of people come through. So much of person-to-person debate is not what you say, but how you say it. The true spirit of a persons thoughts and ideas is distilled through the anonymity(sp?) of words. If you are nbot attractive or a fast talker, yet you have basic grammer skills, then you have a better chance of getting your point made on a message board than in real life. That's why I would love for spell-check to be brought back. Makes you look smarter and, for me at least, lets me concentrate on my writing
On the other hand, a good looking, charismatic person that can BS their way through anything in p2p may be revealed as shallow and small minded on a board. Makes me wonder if I could tell the difference between the writing of Pres Bush, who is not the best public speaker, and someone like Winston Churchill.
As for ceoalex***(you look like a hobbit, right?), I'm gonna be honest, and one thing that sticks out in my mind is when your description was changed to it's current form. Your reply was "Change it back now", or something similar. The point is, you demanded it be changed back. One, it shows arrogance. Arrogant people generally aren't appreciated. Two, you demanded something of Mr.K. You don't demand something of the most powerful person on the board. It's just not a good idea. Gives the impression that you react without thinking. A perfect target to be baited into making a fool of themselves.
As for my personal attack on you in that topic, I apologise. Attacking people is not at all my style. You just happened to be caught in the crosshairs of a person who was angrier than they had ever been or thought possible.
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posted 02-11-2003 07:20 AM
I can't debate worth shit..but arguing on the interweb is quite possibly one of the most entertaining things ever IMHO (as you might have guessed from my antics on this board).
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posted 02-11-2003 12:40 PM
Oh yeah a couple more things....
When discussions happen here I learn a lot from them. But not just here, I learn a lot from them just about everywhere and that's not including on the internet. Honestly, I do. I may not know everything on a particular subject that I'm interested in so having discussions here helps me to think more about what I thought about before a discussion happened to see if I'm wrong or not and if my opinion changes or not.. I know that througout my discussions I blew it. Big time. I sucked. I was horrible in just about every discussion. I admit it. My debating skills were poor. But I hope to be better in them once I think clearly and actually know how to have a discussion. I never should've acted the way I did. I guess the reason I did that was because I got tired of everyone ganging up on me and I didn't know what to do besides that and plus it was my first big discussion that I've had....ever. So from now on, if I don't know anything in a discussion, then I probably won't post in it and if I do I'll take what's coming to me like a man.
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posted 02-11-2003 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Face:
I think debating r0><0rz, but I do get tired of arguing over the same things a lot especially when the person you're arguing with isn't being reasonable or if they don't want to listen to what you have to say.
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posted 02-11-2003 02:11 PM
Methinks Face has given up the "fast-lane" lifestyle of being a badass.
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posted 04-10-2009 09:29 PM
I'm still a badass.
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