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Tghost
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posted 11-11-2003 03:20 AM      Profile for Tghost   Author's Homepage   Email Tghost   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 


Not even the Spanish.

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cfalcon
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France impressed me recently. Something about a new speed camera being set up to save the citizens from themselves being quickly attacked with a slegdehammer.

One of the very pleasingly democratic things about America is the way hostile road problems tend to go away. Metric speed signs? Shotgun. EM detections of speed? EM detectors and/or jammers. Cop waiting in a trap? Motorists who can see him warn you. I'm happy to see the French get hardcore about something besides having better taste and education than us.

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MewtwoSama
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quote:
Originally posted by cfalcon:
I'm happy to see the French get hardcore about something besides having better taste and education than us.

I call bullshit

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Fluorine
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why the hate
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LanderZRPG
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posted 11-12-2003 10:12 AM      Profile for LanderZRPG   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If 'Merka didn't hate the French, they'd need to hate Canadians...

Mind, most/many already do, as well as anyone they've fought against, before [Koreans, Vietnamese, Russians, Afghany, Middle-easteners-in-general, British, French, North American Indians....]

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Isn't Canadia the same as France?
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No. The Canadians are straight and like America's friends. France is like America's gay former friend who used to want to be like us but now hates us because we're better than them and act like it.

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LanderZRPG
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Why is it the 'Merkans think the French hate 'Merka, and thus they must hate the french...
When the french don't really appear to, judging on cultural discussions and such, give a rats ass about 'Merka? Canada gets to hear a tonne about it, 'cause it's right next door, but France doesn't, so the french don't think about 'Merka that much.

Misconceptive 'Merkins.

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undone-backwards
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No. The Canadians are straight and like America's friends. France is like America's gay former friend who used to want to be like us but now hates us because we're better than them and act like it.

I'm pretty sure nobody in europe wants to be like the states, except monsieur Blair of course.

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Psybro
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quote:
Originally posted by LanderZRPG:
Why is it the 'Merkans think the French hate 'Merka, and thus they must hate the french...
When the french don't really appear to, judging on cultural discussions and such, give a rats ass about 'Merka?'

Why on Earth would they not be talking about America?

Everyone loves America.

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quote:
Monday, Nov. 17, 2003
To Hell With Sympathy
The goodwill America earned on 9/11 was illusory. Get over it.


By Charles Krauthammer

No one likes us. And the democrats know why: the world loved us just two years ago, and then this President, cowboy arrogant and rudely unilateral, blew it. "When America was savagely attacked by al-Qaeda terrorists on 9-11, virtually all the world was with us," writes Democratic elder statesman Theodore Sorensen. "But that moment of universal goodwill was squandered." He writes that in the current issue of The American Prospect, but he is speaking for just about every Democratic candidate, potentate, deep thinker and critic, and not a few foreign commentators as well. The formulation is near universal: "The president has somehow squandered the international outpouring of sympathy, goodwill and solidarity that followed the attacks of Sept. 11" (Al Gore). "He has squandered the goodwill of the world after Sept. 11" (John Kerry).

The ur-text for this myth is the famous Le Monde editorial of Sept. 12, 2001, titled "We Are All Americans." But as Johns Hopkins professor Fouad Ajami points out, not only did that very editorial speak of America's paying for its cynicism, but also, within months, that same Le Monde publisher was back with a small book ("All Americans? The World After September 11, 2001"--note the question mark) filled with the usual belligerence toward and disapproval of America.

What happened in those intervening few months? Is not the core Democratic complaint that it was overreaching in Iraq that caused the world to turn against us? And yet barely had we buried our 9/11 dead — long before we entered Baghdad — when the French, and the rest of the world, decided that they were not really Americans after all and were back to vilifying American arrogance, unilateralism, hegemony and so on.

It is pure fiction that this pro-American sentiment was either squandered after Sept. 11 or lost under the Bush Administration. It never existed. Envy for America, resentment of our power, hatred of our success has been a staple for decades, but most particularly since victory in the cold war left us the only superpower.

Bill Clinton was the most accommodating, sensitive, multilateralist President one can imagine, and yet we know that al-Qaeda began the planning for Sept. 11 precisely during his presidency. Clinton made humility his vocation, apologizing variously for African slavery, for internment of Japanese Americans, for not saving Rwanda. He even decided that Britain should return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. A lot of good that did us. Bin Laden issued his Declaration of War on America in 1996--at the height of the Clinton Administration's hyperapologetic, good-citizen internationalism.

Moreover, it is unseemly, even pathetic, for the would-be leaders of a great power to pine for the pity gleaned on the day America lay bleeding and wounded. This is to carry into foreign policy a pathology of our domestic politics — the glorification of victimhood and the lust for its privileges, such as they are. It is not surprising that having set up at home a spoils system that encourages every ethnic group to claim even greater victimization than the next, the Democrats should lament the fact that we did not seize and institutionalize our collective victimhood of Sept. 11.

The world apparently likes the U.S. when it is on its knees. From that the Democrats deduce a foreign policy — remain on our knees, humble and supplicant, and enjoy the applause and "support" of the world.

This is not just degrading. It is a fool's bargain--3,000 dead for a day's worth of nice words and a few empty U.N. resolutions. The Democrats would forfeit American freedom of action and initiative in order to get back — what? Another nice French editorial? To be retracted as soon as the U.S. stops playing victim?

Sympathy is fine. But if we "squander" it when we go to war to avenge our dead and prevent the next crop of dead, then to hell with sympathy. The fact is that the world hates us for our wealth, our success, our power. They hate us into incoherence. The Europeans, Ajami astutely observes, disdain us for our excessive religiosity (manifest, they imagine, by evolution being expelled from schools while prayer is ushered back in)--while the Arab world despises us as purveyors of secularism. We cannot win for losing. We are widely reviled as enemies of Islam, yet in the 1990s we engaged three times in combat — in the Persian Gulf and in the Balkans — to rescue Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo, Muslim peoples all. And in the last two cases, there was nothing in it for the U.S.; it was humanitarianism and good international citizenship of the highest order.

The search for logic in anti-Americanism is fruitless. It is in the air the world breathes. Its roots are envy and self-loathing — by peoples who, yearning for modernity but having failed at it, find their one satisfaction in despising modernity's great exemplar.

On Sept. 11, they gave it a rest for a day. Big deal.


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gruco
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I know this is a bad idea, but god help me I can't stop!!!

I agree with that article on one basic point, and that is that sympathy and resentment towards the US can't simply be trivialized to "it was there after the trade center attacks, but Bush blew it in Iraq." As the article clearly says, Clinton had a benevolent, humble, multilateral foreign policy. And Bush did a fantastic job of undoing the goodwill generated well before 9/11/01. Between Bush's running away from international treaties like the plague to making a mockery of global health efforts, it shouldn't be surprisng that the international community wasn't willing to sympathize for an infinite period of time...

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and yet we know that al-Qaeda began the planning for Sept. 11 precisely during his presidency. Clinton made humility his vocation, apologizing variously for African slavery, for internment of Japanese Americans, for not saving Rwanda. He even decided that Britain should return the Elgin Marbles to Greece. A lot of good that did us. Bin Laden issued his Declaration of War on America in 1996--at the height of the Clinton Administration's hyperapologetic, good-citizen internationalism.
Of course, the more relevant issue to explore is why he started this planning. Was it because Mr. bin Laden was really jealous of the US's economic prosperity and felt like ignoring Clinton's international policy? Because I'm pretty sure stationing troops in Saudi Arabia was somehow related....

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Sympathy is fine. But if we "squander" it when we go to war to avenge our dead and prevent the next crop of dead, then to hell with sympathy.
Blood vengance being such a lofty cause and all.

And I assume I don't need to raise the point of the uncertainty over how much punishment or prevention went on in Iraq (and even Afghanistan).

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The search for logic in anti-Americanism is fruitless. It is in the air the world breathes. Its roots are envy and self-loathing — by peoples who, yearning for modernity but having failed at it, find their one satisfaction in despising modernity's great exemplar.
Sweet, I was wondering whether or not I would get to read anything completely retarded today.

Also, I love how a retraction of a Le Monde article is enough evidence to refute a relationship between the war in Iraq and squandered sympathy.

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