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jshadias
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posted 07-01-2002 11:50 PM
Link removed, it's broken now anyways... The old forum went BOOM!
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-02-2002 12:07 AM
Taken care of, heh-heh-heh...
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posted 07-02-2002 10:11 AM
Edited - Hehehehe...
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-02-2002 11:02 AM
he's not being completely pig-headed or anything, he's just looking for reasonable proof. can't blame him for that. hopefully, it HAS been taken care of. if not, it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things--he may eventually miss with a 100% accurate move or he may not. if he doesn't, i'd like a bit of his luck in my battles.
or is "he" a "she"...?
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posted 07-03-2002 01:04 PM
What really annoys me is he said "and those thousands of tests those Azurians do mean nothing?" but he won't listen to me and he won't listen to you guys and look where this topic is.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-03-2002 03:24 PM
That's a check and subsequent mate there, lol.
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I mean, goldfish lamp wallpaper skeleton in my Bavarian Star or what? Flowers mirror computer Smurfs every time Moses flies playing cards in or around Paris.
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Don't Run With Scizors
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posted 07-03-2002 07:52 PM
...he won't listen to me and he won't listen to you guys...
You haven't given me much worth listening to yet.
It looks to me like people seem to think GSC has 99.6% accurate moves only because RBY had it. What I'm trying to do is find out if there's any other reason why - perhaps some actual evidence of it, none of which I've seen yet (or anyone else, it seems, for that matter). But so far I've only seen some warnings about random numbers, some otherwise-useless RBY data, and jshadias insisting he "knows" it is without providing any valid evidence (and you called me pigheaded...).
Sure, I don't have any valid evidence to completely prove it doesn't occur. But saying that the 0.4% chance of a miss actually exists in GSC is like trying to say that Splash has a 0.0000000001% chance of suddenly causing the sun to go nova, without having any data to prove it does (of course, it that happened, there probably wouldn't be any data left, would there?). Nobody's given any evidence it does exist.
[jshadias]"Yeah, I KNOW it exists, nobody's just seen it yet..."[/jshadias]
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posted 07-03-2002 08:00 PM
Scizors: It looks to me like people seem to think GSC has 99.6% accurate moves only because RBY had it.
I apologize for their rudeness. We got pretty much the same reaction when we told people that Blizzard had a 10% chance of freezing. Everyone just "knew" that it had a 30% chance.
Anyway, to answer your question, I suspect one of the ROM hackers out there might have definitive answer for you.
Nobody's given any evidence it does exist.
It would be enough for me if I saw a typical move fail with no accuracy mods in play, but since I haven't played my Silver enough to notice or care, I don't really have any valid data for you.
You can always run a test yourself!
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posted 07-03-2002 08:25 PM
Anyway, to answer your question, I suspect one of the ROM hackers out there might have definitive answer for you.
...as for actual rom data, you'll probably never see any...
And if there is a hacker out there who's found it, well, he probably would've come forward and mentioned this already. I suppose I could e-mail some programmer at Nintendo who knows how it's programmed, but they don't seem to have any contact info on them and these days any e-mail sent to Nintendo, it seems, gets met by auto-response.
It would be enough for me if I saw a typical move fail with no accuracy mods in play...
So would I. But none have shown up.
You can always run a test yourself!
Battling 1360 Unowns for stat exp. with 100% accurate moves for efficiency has shown no misses.
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posted 07-03-2002 10:45 PM
According to my calculations, the chance of a 255/256 accurate attack never missing for 1360 straight times is...
about .5%.
Leap of faith, anyone?
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posted 07-04-2002 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by Don't Run With Scizors:
Battling 1360 Unowns for stat exp. with 100% accurate moves for efficiency has shown no misses.
Did you do this earlier? If so, you might not have noticed it. Or it may not have missed at all. In any case, people have hacked the ROM and know exactly what's going on. If you really want some ROM data, you might be able to contact Meowth on AIM or ICQ or find his email at his site: http://www.geocities.com/meowth346/forever.htm
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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Don't Run With Scizors
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posted 07-05-2002 02:26 AM
Actually, plenty of people have seen it.
Nobody here has claimed to see it in GSC, and I haven't heard from anybody else, either.
Did you do this earlier? If so, you might not have noticed it.
Nope, I was deliberately looking for misses. I wish you'd stop insisting that I probably missed seeing the misses; I know what I saw.
In any case, people have hacked the ROM and know exactly what's going on.
They've hacked out attack and accuracy numbers, but it doesn't look like they've found any actual programming data that shows what the game does with them (unless I'm being totally ignorant here; the damage and stat formulas might be one instance).
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posted 07-05-2002 02:48 AM
BEHOLD!
Meowth346: They're not missing because they're 100% accurate.
OmegaDonutDeux: Truly 100% accurate? No 99.6 % deal?
Meowth346: RGBY: highest accuracy = 99.6; GSC: highest accuracy = 100.0.
A little later...
Meowth346: What it all boils down to is that the accuracy in RGBY being out of 0~255 and GSC being out of 1~256.
Meowth346: I don't recall exactly how things are in RGBY, but in GSC...
Meowth346: ...the accuracy is a simple compare check.
Meowth346: It compares a Random Number against the Current Accuracy.
OmegaDonutDeux: After looking at spunman's page, I think it goes like that in RBY, too.
Meowth346: If the Random Number is less than or equal to the Current Accuracy, then the attack hits.
OmegaDonutDeux: That's what's different.
Meowth346: So, if the Accuracy is 255, then any number from 0~255 is equal to or less than 255, so it always hits.
And for you ROM hackers...
Meowth346: Well, if you don't already understand assembly, then I won't waste my time looking up where to find the data, but anyone that does know assembly should be able to easily find the battle data in no time, and it's right in there.
Meowth346: Just follow the jumps and one will lead to accuracy.
Meowth346: You can tell when you're there because it'll look at the byte that tells the accuracy stage (ie if Double Team's been used, etc).
Meowth346: Find the section that looks at that, and the accuracy's right after it.
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posted 07-05-2002 06:36 PM
Well, it looks like jshadias doesn't have any more smartass remarks for the "poor bastard"...
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posted 07-06-2002 11:28 PM
fuck me...
after the past two nights, that's all i can say. two identical butterfrees with 250 happiness, 128 pp of frustration, and leftovers. let them duke it out for two nights at max speed (which is pretty sad on my obsolete "barely-a-pentium") until one fainted the other with struggle, over and over again. after 1,000(!) attacks, they should only miss 4 times--easily missed, despite the theory that 1,000 consecutive hits of a 99.6% accurate attack should only happen 1.8% of the time. we all know how these random numbers work. so 5,000 such attacks should include 20 misses, which i felt was a valid goal. if 5,000 consecutive attacks simply did not miss, i'm not going to argue that they ever will.
the results:
4,986 attacks (i got tired). expected 19.9 misses. got 0!
Don't Run With Scizors: Meowth346: ...anyone that does know assembly should be able to easily find the battle data in no time, and it's right in there.
we all wish we could. i've searched far and wide for good info on it and found none. i suspect the only good stuff you'll find'll be in japanese. sucks. to have been able to get all the info i've weaseled out of averages of thousands of numbers, staying up late for weeks tweaking formulas for thousands of lines of results in excel to determine formulae, pulling apart bits in the ram, racking my brain to find farfetch'd relationships between genes, stats, levels, trainer numbers, and always with that damned random variable jumping right in the middle of things... if i could have just poked through the code for a few hours for each problem and said, "oh, here's how it works. this is my answer"... gah, it's upsetting just thinking about it.
as for the scissors guy, no, he's not being pigheaded at all. while we're all here saying, "look, the kool aid's fine. it's NOT poisoned!" he's saying, "okay, i'll believe you, i just want you to prove it." now we're all dead and he's making a fortune selling our brand new, pretty, white tennis shoes. don't we feel like asses?
guy-with-the-long-name, my apologies. if i were less upset and less tired, i'm sure i'd even thank you for allowing us the opportunity to correct our mistake. i'm even more upset now that others did NOT, but for reasons for which i can't blame them. ah, how i ramble when i'm tired.
terribly off-topic: why do we pokémon forum junkies continually subject ourselves to this lack of sleep? why do we force ourselves to work under such conditions? good night. forgive me for not proofreading ANY of this. *adds reply*
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jshadias
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posted 07-07-2002 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Don't Run With Scizors:
BEHOLD!
Meowth346: They're not missing because they're 100% accurate.
OmegaDonutDeux: Truly 100% accurate? No 99.6 % deal?
Meowth346: RGBY: highest accuracy = 99.6; GSC: highest accuracy = 100.0.
Meowth346: So, if the Accuracy is 255, then any number from 0~255 is equal to or less than 255, so it always hits.
I was going to say something about him talking about highest accuracy, i.e. Swift and Faint Attack, but Spunman's tested it... So WTF is going on here??? Damn, now I look like an idiot ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) Meowth, you knew this the whole time and didn't bother telling anyone??? I was basing half my argument from the assumption that if he knew, he would have let us know!!! And I could have sworn I'd seen Fly miss about once every 50 battles my first GSC game.
EDIT: If you put any of those in n00b sig, you owe every bit of data ever hacked by Meowth a six foot tall monument of pure platinum.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-07-2002 10:54 AM
http://www.geocities.com/meowth346/gs/SkillDex/Dark/oiuchi.htm
Oh, and thanks for testing Spunman, I was going to test last night but I only got through 30 tests .
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GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
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posted 07-08-2002 08:05 PM
lol
People once believed the world was flat, and threatened to burn anyone who tried to prove otherwise!
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posted 07-09-2002 08:32 PM
Burn Scizor! Anyways, I talked to Meowth and he said he had the data on his old site... Meowth also says I need a hex editor to look at the ROMs, if anyone has one or knows a good source for stuff like that please let me know.
EDIT: I said before that it was common knowledge about the 99.6% accuracy thing. I did not mention that it is common knowledge that just because something is common knowledge doesn't mean it's true. I will mention that now.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-10-2002 12:10 AM
Will you now also apologize to Scizors for calling him a "poor bastard"?
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posted 07-10-2002 10:21 AM
so 100% accuracy moves are in fact 100% accurate?
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posted 07-10-2002 12:13 PM
10,000Lb.Snorlax: so 100% accuracy moves are in fact 100% accurate?
either that or I'M the poor bastard. =/
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posted 07-10-2002 09:22 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. K:
Will you now also apologize to Scizors for calling him a "poor bastard"?
Fine then. Anyways, I asked Meowth about attacks such as Mud Slap with a supposed 99.6% chance of causing the effect. He said in that case, the attack is 100% accurate but the effect still has only a 99.6% chance of happening.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-10-2002 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Don't Run With Scizors:
In any case, people have hacked the ROM and know exactly what's going on.
They've hacked out attack and accuracy numbers, but it doesn't look like they've found any actual programming data that shows what the game does with them (unless I'm being totally ignorant here; the damage and stat formulas might be one instance).
I wanted to reply to this too... There are two parts of a ROM:
Data
Programming code
The data opens with a Hex Editor
The programming code opens with a disassembler
Yes, people have hacked out both. The data is easier to open if you have a table, but creating the table is like cracking a simple code where letters are switched for hex values (I think).
For the programming code, you get your disassembler, learn the Assembly language, and figure out what the game is doing.
I will eventually have data on both, as I figure it out. The Assembly part might take longer, but it will also show every single thing the game does and a description, so ROM data will be readily available on a site.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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posted 07-10-2002 10:38 PM
So, in G/S/C they are actually 100% chance of hitting and a 255/256 chance of doing their additional effect (such as lowering accuracy via mudslap)
So, in G/S/C it is truly 100%? Is that what everone's saying?
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posted 07-10-2002 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by MK:
So, in G/S/C they are actually 100% chance of hitting and a 255/256 chance of doing their additional effect (such as lowering accuracy via mudslap)
So, in G/S/C it is truly 100%? Is that what everone's saying?
Yes, that is what everyone is saying. That will also be one of the first things I document when I tear apart the Assembly part of the ROM.
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Uiru: "Now that we're all used to the rules, clauses and by-laws... what would happen to the metagame if every one of them were whipped away?"
GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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[19:30] <FanhAway> I had Thunderbolt miss in one of my battles with Meowth in G/S...
<FlareonAtma> tell that to Meowth346
[19:33] <FanhAway> I don't have to, he had it happen in front of him o_O
[19:33] <FanhAway> lol
<FlareonAtma> ...okay...
[19:33] <FanhAway> when I said Meowth that's who I was talking about
<FlareonAtma> yah
[19:33] <FanhAway> when I battled him last year at the convention
<FlareonAtma> I had thoguth you emant an in-game Meowth
[19:33] <FanhAway> it was either that or Ice Beam
[19:33] <FanhAway> I don't remember
[19:33] <FanhAway> all I remember was it was me who missed
[19:34] <FanhAway> and we laughed because he was dead anyhow
<FlareonAtma> okay...
[19:35] <FanhAway> I don't see any "evidence" on that page to indicate the current data is flawed...
[19:35] <FanhAway> the ROM itself has a 255 chance, not a 256
[19:35] <FanhAway> moves with a 256 chance of hitting have their own special effects
<FlareonAtma> okay...
<FlareonAtma> You should discuss it with jshadias
<FlareonAtma> all I did was take a glance at the thread
[19:36] <FanhAway> anyhow since I can't post on Azure, would you post that rather funny bit of info that I had a 1/256 miss with Meowth himself?
<FlareonAtma> okay
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posted 08-19-2002 11:56 PM
I still don't know what to think.
Does GSC have an approximate 99.6% chance of hitting? Yes or No
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posted 08-21-2002 01:24 PM
Fanha also claimed that he got official Nintendo Mews with random genes...
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posted 08-21-2002 08:04 PM
You said he should discuss it with me. Try... Meowth or Spunman.
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GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
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posted 08-22-2002 02:49 PM
ive see normal moves miss. including pcychic!
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I've desidered since I can't get my Nidoking Gorkamorka into R/S he's be killed and reincarnated as a Metagross.
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posted 08-22-2002 09:00 PM
It's called Double Team, or if you want to be sneaky, brightpowder...
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GP-Chan: "id probably quit every battle, and not just every other battle."
ThumbsOfSteel: "Why, because they broke the rules?"
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In one fight, I've seen Dragonbreath, Psychic, and Selfdestruct miss.
Edit: And none of the intended victims had Bright Powder, or used any acc. modifiers.
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posted 08-23-2002 02:25 PM
Maybe it works differently in the single player game and in link battles, as well. Maybe pokemon in linked battles are given a very basic evade stat equivalent to, let's say, brightpowder.
It's kinda bizarre, but it could explain why the in-game experiments gave those moves 100% accuracy while linked battle experiments (I guess those examples of missed moves were all from linked battles, correct me if I'm wrong) gave different results.
Just a random thought.
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posted 08-23-2002 07:57 PM
You mean you're going to make someone test again?
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posted 08-30-2002 07:48 AM
Yeah, someone please test again, I wanna know exactly how it works.
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LexyEevee
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posted 10-03-2002 02:42 AM
*bump*
So, um, if an attack's accuracy value is... 63 [3F]... then in R/B/Y the accuracy is 63/256 and in G/S/C it's 64/256? Say yes and I'll go away.
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posted 10-29-2002 11:38 AM
I'm pretty sure that I've seen Surf and Earthquake miss on my game, against non-Brightpowder pokes. I can't be 100% certain on that though.
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LanderZRPG
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posted 10-29-2002 10:54 PM
I've had Swift miss a Dug-Diglett....
I figured GSC had changed Swift around...
Now, is it just me, or is this wrong...? I mean, I know it was a ROM, but the ROM is fine in ALL other respects...
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