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Mewbot
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posted 01-29-2001 06:55 PM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, I'm new at these boards...I'm "board hopping" a bit.

Well, onto the topic-

When a Female egg is produced, it gets the dad's DVs/Genes. If a Male egg is produced, it gets the Mom's DVs/Genes.

It gets the Defense DV directly, and the special DV either directly or inversely. The Attack and Speed are random.

Here's where Speed comes in---

If the Egg is a Male, and the Dad's speed is odd, the Special DV is passed directly. If the speed is even, it is passed inversely.

The same thing works with a Female egg, but the Mom's speed determines the passing...

Dat's all, folks!

EDIT-clearing somthing up in the post!

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posted 01-29-2001 07:12 PM      Profile for NickWhiz1   Author's Homepage   Email NickWhiz1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Survey says....

*buzzing noise*

I'm sorry.

</Family Feud>

Anyways, Speed is random. Completely. 1/16 chance of getting desired DV (10 for Shiny or 15 for max).

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posted 01-29-2001 07:30 PM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wasn't saying that the Speed is passed on...I was saying that how the Special is passed is determined by the Speed...I know that Speed is completely random.

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ya know, i usually don't bother with posts like this, but goddamn you're an obnoxious little git.

that is all.

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quote:
Originally posted by NickWhiz1:
Survey says....

*buzzing noise*

I'm sorry.

</Family Feud>

Anyways, Speed is random. Completely. 1/16 chance of getting desired DV (10 for Shiny or 15 for max).

*runs away*


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Are you sure? So a Ditto with odd speed and max Spcl would pass it directly?

Interesting...

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posted 01-31-2001 06:39 PM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Waruimewtwo....a Max-special Ditto will pass the Special DV directly if its partner is odd-speeded.

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Oh, oh, oh i get it.

Thanks, i didn't realize before that you said male offspring and male parent.

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Have you tested this for yourself? I had like four boxes of bred Mankey, Eevee, and Pinsir(all bred with a maxed out Ditto), and I can swear that several of the males had Special DV's of 7.
Unfortunately, I recently deleted'em cuz I needed more box room. But I can distinctly remember having males with Special DV's of 7.

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Explanation to the best of my knowledge:

The pokemon that hatches gets its defense dv and spcl. dv influenced by the parent that is of the opposite gender. i.e. Female offspring gets stats from male parent.

However, what mewbot revealed was that the other parent contributes to how the special dv will be passed down. The other parent's speed will determine if the special dv of the same gender parent is passed down directly or inversely.

We need to test this by breeding one odd speed dv pokemon with ditto and one even speed dv pokemon with it as well. After many eggs hatch, we will know the answer.

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posted 02-03-2001 09:47 AM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
New info about this-

The speed-breeding doesn't make it work 100% of the time, it just greatly increases the chances...to somewhere between 75-90%.

Example-I breeded a shiny Gyarados with a Female Exans, hatched lots of Ekans. All of the females hatched were 10/2. The Ekans had a speed DV of 0. So, the thingy worked that way.

ON THE OTHER HAND---

I breeded a 10/10 Female Eevee (child of the Arbok) with a male-odd-speeder. The chances of me getting a 10/10 was about 75-90%.

So, the speed doesn't exactly determine it, it just increases the chances.

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posted 02-03-2001 09:50 AM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Now..all we need is a Ditto...I'll breed it with a Magikarp! Fast eggs! I'll try to make better tests...

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posted 02-03-2001 10:42 AM      Profile for Jenova   Author's Homepage   Email Jenova   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NickWhiz1:
Survey says....

*buzzing noise*

I'm sorry.

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posted 02-04-2001 12:25 PM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Starting tests. Breeding an Odd-speeded Karp with a Ditto. I'll post the results when I'm done.

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First (semi) test

On my quest for breeding for Shinys, I got 10 eevee eggs. A female 10/10 Eevee breeded with an Odd-speeder. Out of 10, 8 were passed directly.

Then, the thingy that led me to discover this-an even-speeded Bok breeded with a Shiny Gyarados bred 100% inversely-passed Eggs, while an Odd-speeder passed Directs. So, that was about 6/6 inversely-passed when bred with an Odd-speeder.

And then there's Ditto. When telling Moltres23 about the tests I was going to make with Ditto breeding with an Odd-speeded Karp, he said that since Ditto passed all the stats no matter what, that Ditto's speed determined the passing. And, he might just be right! I'll test the Ditto thingy, though.

So, these are my updates for tonight.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mewbot:

And then there's Ditto. When telling Moltres23 about the tests I was going to make with Ditto breeding with an Odd-speeded Karp, he said that since Ditto passed all the stats no matter what, that [b]Ditto's
speed determined the passing. And, he might just be right! I'll test the Ditto thingy, though.

[/B]


Actually, your method is correct. When you said male offspring and male parent, you really mean child and non-stat passing parent. As you probably know, males get stats from female parents and vice versa. But whenever ditto breeds, all stats are passed down from it. So the other pokemon, in this case magikarp, is the one to determine directly passing and inversely passing stats. Ditto can't determine stats for itself, that'd seem weird. Think about it.

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I was right with you, until somewhere in the middle...

So... This means that if I want a baby to get max special, the odds will increase greatly if poke A has max special, and poke B is odd-speeded? Should poke A be male or female?

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posted 02-05-2001 05:07 PM      Profile for Mewbot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lark-here it is

To have about an 80% chance of getting max special---

Poke B must be odd-speeded. If Poke A is Male, then the max-special baby will be a female. If pokeA is a Female, the max-special baby will be male.

Dat's all!

EDIT-Wari, you are probably correct about the Ditto thingy...
*resumes testing*

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