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ceoalex316
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posted 08-04-2003 10:41 PM $Profile for ceoalex316$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Which would you rather have? A political puppet, who does everything the majority of the people tell him too, or a highly qualified leader who listens to the people only when he thinks they are right.

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posted 08-04-2003 10:52 PM $Profile for Psybro$ $Email Psybro$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

The former would be the result of a truly democratic system, representative yet open to tyranny by majority. The latter would be the more expedient but may result in corruption from power of said leader.

It seems pretty clear that a compromise between the two should be sought.

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posted 08-04-2003 10:53 PM $Profile for Rolken$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Rolken$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

That sure is phrased objectively. How about a leader in tune with the desires of his nation or an impulsive egoist who rules at his whim?

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posted 08-05-2003 12:01 AM $Profile for Zem$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

One problem is that we aren't given the same sort of information that the President is. We don't get all those defense briefings. It's his job to handle that sort of thing. We see him make decisions based on the limited information we have, and we judge based on that. So, the question of following the majority is silly - the majority doesn't know everything, and therefore cannot possibly make well informed decisions. We have to elect someone that we have confidence will make the correct decisions. Obviously, this is a problem with democracy... public opinion matters even when it shouldn't.

That said, one thing is clear to me - Bush is an idiot.

[ 08-05-2003, 01:28 AM: Message edited by: Zem ]

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GenyaA310
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posted 08-05-2003 02:32 AM $Profile for GenyaA310$ $Email GenyaA310$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Eh, cracks knuckles...

Ok here we go, politics is fun, but I want a puppet who listens to the people because if we dont have that then:

A)we will be like Europe which is skanky(my opinion), and unnaceptable society types will take over all public areas

B)Our country would have socialized medicine, my God, I will start a revolution against the government if that happens, I will never pay 60% of my income for that

C)Politicians could get by with whatever they want

and Zem, I respect your opinion, I disagree though, however I do think that there are stronger Republicans than Bush that my party could have had for president...

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posted 08-05-2003 09:49 AM $Profile for Dweedle$ $Email Dweedle$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
That said, one thing is clear to me - Bush is an idiot.

I would like to make clear my high degree of concurrence.

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Psybro
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posted 08-05-2003 11:23 AM $Profile for Psybro$ $Email Psybro$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by GenyaA310:
Our country would have socialized medicine, my God, I will start a revolution against the government if that happens, I will never pay 60% of my income for that

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

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Boodabonzi
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posted 08-05-2003 11:32 AM $Profile for Boodabonzi$ $Email Boodabonzi$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Everyone in this thread excepting Psybro, Dweedle and Rolken has a shitty grasp of politics.

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OK, I know I'm probably not the nicest Pokemon Trainer when it comes to giving advice, and if I get flamed on this, it is probably well deserved. So here goes...

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Zem
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posted 08-05-2003 11:58 AM $Profile for Zem$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Everyone in this thread excepting Psybro, Dweedle and Rolken has a shitty grasp of politics.

Ah, see, there you go trying to bait me. I made a very quick comment about the public's lack of information due to the interest of national security, and you think you know my grasp of politics.

But, as I've mentioned, I've already determined you're an idiot, so I'm ok with your having a negative opinion of me.

Now did I go and tell you to "fuck off"? No. Certainly the thought crossed my mind, but being a relatively decent fellow, I decided that wouldn't be very nice. See how that works?

Oh, I'm sorry, I've gone on for several lines now. I'd better stop, I wouldn't want to overly tax your brain.

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posted 08-05-2003 02:20 PM $Profile for IceHawk78$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email IceHawk78$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
anything i ever said toward booda

Ask Kim about my old bouts with cowlix. 'Cause you sound a lot like I did with him.

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Boodabonzi
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posted 08-05-2003 05:12 PM $Profile for Boodabonzi$ $Email Boodabonzi$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Zem:

quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Everyone in this thread excepting Psybro, Dweedle and Rolken has a shitty grasp of politics.
Ah, see, there you go trying to bait me. I made a very quick comment about the public's lack of information due to the interest of national security, and you think you know my grasp of politics.

But, as I've mentioned, I've already determined you're an idiot, so I'm ok with your having a negative opinion of me.

Now did I go and tell you to "fuck off"? No. Certainly the thought crossed my mind, but being a relatively decent fellow, I decided that wouldn't be very nice. See how that works?

Oh, I'm sorry, I've gone on for several lines now. I'd better stop, I wouldn't want to overly tax your brain.

lol

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OK, I know I'm probably not the nicest Pokemon Trainer when it comes to giving advice, and if I get flamed on this, it is probably well deserved. So here goes...

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GenyaA310
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posted 08-06-2003 12:31 AM $Profile for GenyaA310$ $Email GenyaA310$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Everyone in this thread excepting Psybro, Dweedle and Rolken has a shitty grasp of politics.

Actually I have quite a firm grasp of politics. I am into it so much, that I can name lots of senators and some representatives and I can explain all of Bush's policies(in anything) as well as what positions each of the Democratic candidates who are facing Bush are taking. I can also explain to you the foreign policies of presidents Truman-Bush2.

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Boodabonzi
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posted 08-06-2003 06:42 AM $Profile for Boodabonzi$ $Email Boodabonzi$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by GenyaA310:

quote:
Originally posted by Boodabonzi:
Everyone in this thread excepting Psybro, Dweedle and Rolken has a shitty grasp of politics.
Actually I have quite a firm grasp of politics. I am into it so much, that I can name lots of senators and some representatives and I can explain all of Bush's policies(in anything) as well as what positions each of the Democratic candidates who are facing Bush are taking. I can also explain to you the foreign policies of presidents Truman-Bush2.

cool

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Dweedle
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posted 08-06-2003 11:17 AM $Profile for Dweedle$ $Email Dweedle$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by GenyaA310:
Actually I have quite a firm grasp of politics. I am into it so much, that I can name lots of senators and some representatives and I can explain all of Bush's policies(in anything) as well as what positions each of the Democratic candidates who are facing Bush are taking. I can also explain to you the foreign policies of presidents Truman-Bush2.

tell me about my main man Joe Lieberman

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Psybro
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posted 08-06-2003 11:18 AM $Profile for Psybro$ $Email Psybro$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Dean is the new Nader

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ceoalex316
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posted 08-06-2003 08:28 PM $Profile for ceoalex316$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by IceHawk78:

quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
anything i ever said toward booda
Ask Kim about my old bouts with cowlix. 'Cause you sound a lot like I did with him.

If he sounds like a loser, then yea he does sound like you.

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ceoalex316
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posted 08-06-2003 08:31 PM $Profile for ceoalex316$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

I'm just messin, Icebird is super cool.

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IceHawk78
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posted 08-06-2003 09:19 PM $Profile for IceHawk78$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email IceHawk78$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by ceoalex316:

quote:
Originally posted by IceHawk78:

quote:
Originally posted by Zem:
anything i ever said toward booda
Ask Kim about my old bouts with cowlix. 'Cause you sound a lot like I did with him.
If he sounds like a loser, then yea he does sound like you.

Yeah, you hit that one on the head. Only Booda isn't sounding half as stupid as you did.

[edit] but I got back from Ireland where everybody loves potatoes, so you're cool too

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Rolken
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posted 08-06-2003 09:41 PM $Profile for Rolken$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Rolken$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by GenyaA310:
Actually I have quite a firm grasp of politics. I am into it so much, that I can name lots of senators and some representatives and I can explain all of Bush's policies(in anything) as well as what positions each of the Democratic candidates who are facing Bush are taking. I can also explain to you the foreign policies of presidents Truman-Bush2.

Knowledge is no substitute for stupidity.

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GenyaA310
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posted 08-07-2003 03:26 AM $Profile for GenyaA310$ $Email GenyaA310$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Dweedle:

tell me about my main man Joe Lieberman[/QB][/QUOTE]

Joe Lieberman is by far the best and most centrist of the democrats running for president although scary cause he might end up outlawing video games. I believe that in the national election, only he, has a very slim possibility of ousting Bush.
Domestic: supports school vouchers, tax cuts for middle class and poor, no gay marriage or union however gay rights, faith-based programs supporter, cracked down on entertainment violence and porn with several bills, doesnt think socialized meds is good but wants a step by step program with government healthcare and regulation on the industry, wants to support businesses who create manufacturing jobs
Foreign:moderate foreign policy bush supporter, only candidate who has criticized the other candidates about being ambivalent or anti-iraq war, believes that administration is doing a terrible job in postwar iraq, and thinks that the us should go alone in certain areas of foreign policy but wishes for world support, very strong on defense compared to other candidates

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Mr. K
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posted 08-07-2003 04:58 AM $Profile for Mr. K$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Mr. K$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Lieberman is basically a Republican. I would link to Doonesbury cartoon about it, but the cartoon isn't actually funny, and I don't wanna be a cfalcon.

I would like to vote for Dean's hype, but not that guy who wouldn't give a straight answer about anything on Larry King and said that he "had never thought about" the issue of gay marriage. If Dean's testicles descend, I might actually vote for him. Otherwise, I'll just throw my vote away again (altho, as 'mute has pointed out, my vote never counts anyway).

Altho, I have never voted for a winner before, so if I wanted to keep the streak intact, I think Dean is a safe bet.

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posted 08-07-2003 08:19 AM $Profile for Donald$ $Email Donald$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

VOTE BACKLUND IN 2004

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posted 08-07-2003 08:30 AM $Profile for Ikuse$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Ikuse$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Arnold for governor.

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posted 08-07-2003 09:34 AM $Profile for veloS$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by GenyaA310:

A)we will be like Europe which is skanky(my opinion), and unnaceptable society types will take over all public areas

The Netherlands > US of A. [Trash Bear]

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posted 08-07-2003 11:19 AM $Profile for Psybro$ $Email Psybro$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

American politics is pretty fucked up.

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ceoalex316
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posted 08-07-2003 02:26 PM $Profile for ceoalex316$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. K:
Altho, I have never voted for a winner before, so if I wanted to keep the streak intact, I think Dean is a safe bet.

If you didn't vote Green in 2000 Bush would not be president. Its all your fault!!!

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posted 08-07-2003 03:21 PM $Profile for Dweedle$ $Email Dweedle$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

I know one of Joe Lieberman's assistants. He lives in the same town as me. And if Joe is anything like this guy, he's got my vote for sure.

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Rolken
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posted 08-07-2003 05:15 PM $Profile for Rolken$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Rolken$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

quote:
Originally posted by Psybro:
American politics is pretty fucked up.

Hey, at least only a slight majority of us hate our leader.

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posted 08-07-2003 06:15 PM $Profile for Psybro$ $Email Psybro$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Treating your leader with a certain level of distrust is very healthy and I'm glad it's a national pastime here.

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posted 08-07-2003 08:09 PM $Profile for Dark_Herakurosu$ $Author's Homepage$ $Email Dark_Herakurosu$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

Gonk for dictator.

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GenyaA310
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posted 08-08-2003 01:24 AM $Profile for GenyaA310$ $Email GenyaA310$ $Send New Private Message$ $Edit/Delete Post$ $Reply With Quote$

I am almost positive that Howard Dean will be the Democratic candidate (unless Gore runs, which is a possibility even though he denied it or Lieberman picks up steam). But with Dean as a candidate who is antiwar,proGayunion,and prosocialized meds, Bush will probably end up winning in a Nixon/McGovern landslide. That is why I endorse Howard Dean...

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