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Porygone
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posted 10-22-2003 12:36 PM
Yeah, that pissed me off. When I read it like, a month or so ago.
When'll it occur to people that some are just fucked up and use video games as a scapegoat?
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EspeonNidoking
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posted 10-22-2003 01:17 PM
video game violence does lead to agressive behavior in a lot of cases. :\
i don't think that's any reason to ban it though.
if you looked at everything like that, then you should ban certain sports, tv in general (even the news), books, etc.
i also agree video games and music are often used as scapegoats for crazy shit that happens.
the intelligence of these people amazes me. how do these people get good jobs or graduate from good schools when they have no common sense? do they just try hard and spend lots of time in the library? cuz these aren't the brighest people i listen to/read about/meet.
interesting read too, i'm a psychology student.
when i say "they" and "these people" i mean the people who critisize video games in general (not necessarily for being violent)..but some adults just will find anything bad about cartoons/video games. it's kinda sad. these people need more life, less faggotry.
[ 10-22-2003, 01:21 PM: Message edited by: EspeonNidoking ]
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cfalcon
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posted 10-22-2003 02:30 PM
I agree, the science is actually showing that there is, in fact, a correlation. I suspect this correlation didn't show up before because, well, graphics sucked and the action was unrealistic (overhead, side shooter, nonexistant physics: you were "supposed" to feel like you were in a video game. Just look at Captian N and that Arcade Hour that had a bunch of Arcade based shows- the premise was always that the video game world was just different. For GTA, that wouldn't work.).
But given that, you can't come down on someone because their art form made you do something. That's stupid. This isn't like cigarrettes, with a biological effect. Micheal Moore, when he isn't lying his ass off, does get around to making a couple good points in Bowling for Columbine... basically, he blames the media for a lot of societal violence.
If you can sue manufactures of art / editorial comments on life (GTA and video games, etc.) for making people violent, then you can also sue the news for reporting the truth- if you can show that some aspects of truth cause violence.
I'm pretty sure you'll be able to show that. The whole trick is that if you see or hear about violence, you become innoculated to it. Which goes a long way toward explaining the savage state the world was in a few centuries ago (and still is in, in some cases).
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Jman
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posted 10-22-2003 06:22 PM
The fact is that more people see more violence in books and television than in video games. If you're going to ban video game violence, you might as well cancel 70% of the television and books out on the market right now. Movies are a million times worse than any video game, due to incredible effects and real life actors. Does pushing a button really have that much more effect on a child?
The answer is probably because parents are accustomed to making sure their children don't see rated R or even PG-13 movies until they think its appropriate and they are NOT accustomed to stopping children from playing violent video games. In addition, retailers need to step up the 17 and over rule for Mature rated games. I can walk into any store around and get any M rated game. I've seen 7 year old kids talk their parents into buying a certain game for their kid, nevermind the M rated logo. And I've seen similar parents come into stores to complain about the violence in these games. Excuse me, but there ARE ratings on these things for a reason.
I don't see how video games, a form of media, can't fall under freedom of speech. Parents need to stop worrying about what is in games that kids could theoretically play and start paying attention to the games the child actually IS buying and playing.
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Rysto
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posted 10-22-2003 06:23 PM
Why is it when an adult goes around shooting up random people, he's just crazy, but when a teen does it, videogames made him do it?
(I don't take credit for this quote)
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MK
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posted 10-22-2003 06:34 PM
The kid(s) were already crazy... the game just gave them the idea... look at Chess, Chess is more violent than most games, you try to go and KILL the KING AND QUEEN who is a different color than you, we're talkin murder, racism, hatred, and conquering of a kingdom here!
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Jman
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posted 10-22-2003 07:43 PM
Thats deep, MK.
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Mentar the Malady Monkey
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posted 10-22-2003 08:09 PM
MK, you killed it. This discussion is now hanging out with Tupac, Elvis, and Metallica's songwriting talent.
In hell.
Inciting violent behavior has never been an excuse to ban or tax anything (with obvious exceptions). Ever. And it never should be.
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Donald
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posted 10-22-2003 08:31 PM
Well... Mentar summed it up. Perfectly.
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ceoalex316
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posted 10-22-2003 09:39 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Mentar the Malady Monkey:
Inciting violent behavior has never been an excuse to ban or tax anything (with obvious exceptions). Ever. And it never should be.
How about sue? You can't sue Grey Goose or Johnnie Walker for causing people to crash while driving drunk.
Though they have warning labels. If video games had a label like: "May cause violent behavior." Then they would need to restrict games and parent wouldn't buy them as much.
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White Cat
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posted 10-23-2003 02:33 PM
quote:
Inciting violent behavior has never been an excuse to ban or tax anything (with obvious exceptions). Ever. And it never should be.
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Psybro
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posted 10-23-2003 03:07 PM
Has any study been conducted into how aggressive watching football makes teenagers
I think football should be banned
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Mentar the Malady Monkey
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posted 10-23-2003 08:24 PM
quote:
Originally posted by White Cat:
quote:
Inciting violent behavior has never been an excuse to ban or tax anything (with obvious exceptions). Ever. And it never should be.
Pointless semantics. Making it illegal to host a website that specifically suggests that the reader commit violent acts of murder, and detailing just how to do so, is understandable (I'm pretty sure a law amounting to this is more or elss in effect). Banning or suing for anything related to "violent behavior" is not.
quote:
Originally posted by Psybro:
Has any study been conducted into how aggressive watching football makes teenagers
I think football should be banned
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cfalcon
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posted 10-23-2003 08:47 PM
Inciting violent behavior has never been an excuse to ban or tax anything (with obvious exceptions). Ever. And it never should be.
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. For instance, it is a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government. One of the questions they ask you before you do government work is whether you have ever knowingly given money to a group that seeks that. The caveat is that overthrowing the government *is* legal- there is nothing that a united populace couldn't turn our country into, without breaking any rules (you just have them amend the constitution striking the whole thing and all other laws and put Zoltan in as Emperor- if the populace is united, they elect people who believe the same way, and there you have it). The rule is the violence.
So some of those things are against the law.
But art forms where several meanings are derived are very different. Hell, if they had a game all about a communist revolution in America, it would still be legal.
The more signifigant thing is that all of these links show statistical causality, which is not the same as acutal causality. I mean, if Crazy Kid and I both play Shoot People In The Head, and Crazy Kid goes out and does it, sure, the game contributed- but the entire legal claim would be that the game *made him do it*- and it didn't. It introducted him to some thoughts.
Anyway, this issue is more complex than it looked a decade ago, but freedom of thought and speech will still win out.
Until the neural conditioning implants or something.
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Mentar the Malady Monkey
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posted 10-23-2003 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by cfalcon
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. For instance, it is a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government.
...Yeah, this was one of the exceptions I was alluding to. The line is fairly clear, though.
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Charmeleon42
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posted 10-24-2003 01:17 AM
Unfortunately, this isn't the case. For instance, it is a crime to advocate the violent overthrow of the US government.
Even then there is gray area. If I were to go out into the open and shout out "HEY LETS OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT, WHOS WITH ME!", I might get some weird looks, but nothing more. And that's not really a crime.
It is a crime if, in the situation, there is an imminent danger of the speaker in the situation actually getting people to do something bad. Noone in their right mind is going to seriously start up a riot right then and there if I shout this out in a crowd, so it's not "imminent".
GTA 3 doesn't tell people to kill, and since millions of people fire the game up on their PC or game system and end up not going out to shoot up the neighborhood, there most certainly isn't any sort of "imminent" danger involved with the game that would make it's playing illegal.
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cfalcon
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posted 10-24-2003 03:01 AM
Even then there is gray area. If I were to go out into the open and shout out "HEY LETS OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT, WHOS WITH ME!", I might get some weird looks, but nothing more. And that's not really a crime.
Well, that's because you aren't actually talking about overthowing the government, you're a nerd who stopped playing DDR long enough to remind everyone around you that you are a very special child.
I mean, I could go to a treeless beach on a sunny day, get in the water, and yell FIRE!... and the same thing might happen. If I were in a theater and yelled SHARK!... again, same thing. But switch those two around, and then I'm getting in some hot water.
I really don't think that "imminence" has anything to do with why these lawsuits are going to fall flat on their face. I think it has more to do with the fact that their case is pretty much going to be based on studies that show kids (actually it applies to everyone, but kids are the more emotionally charged ones) are more likely to behave violently after viewing violent things (and they'll point out videogames specifically, but anything that lets you *see* violence is probably in the same category). The studies show all sorts of cool things. Like, the control group sees something nonviolent, the experimental group sees something violent. Then when each individual walks out into the hallway, they each see a person in apparent pain in the middle of the hallway.
The reaction times are way, way, different.
Anyway, the points that I think are most important are:
1- Any number of things can affect this, most of which are already allowed and no one will argue against.
2- Since the inputs are given to you to *think* about (and not injected into you some how), you get all sorts of immunity. Otherwise you could be arresting civil rights leaders and pretty much anyone who gets the crowd going behind them... and hey, let's burn books. I think the Bible is at the top of books to burn, no?
Those two may be the same point. The E-Reader has turned my brain entirely to mush. Rant later.
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Mr. K
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posted 10-25-2003 02:17 PM
Anyone in favor of banning pot, but not violent video games?
That would be a fun discussion.
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